NeilWatson Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Ilkl never go to Coventry again after the shambles a couple of weeks ago. You mean when the referee approved a delay to the start time, then the referee postponed the meeting prior to the new start time? Hardly the Coventry promotion's fault, was it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainman Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 So on that basis had the meeting gone to 15 heats Rye may have won. Junior No dry house didn't want to ride so would never have got to heat 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 No dry house didn't want to ride so would never have got to heat 15 They didn't want to ride and it didn't get to heat 10 so what's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Why is it bad sportsmanship to not want to ride in potentially dangerous conditions? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 No dry house didn't want to ride so would never have got to heat 15 No the conditions wouldn't have allowed it to go to heat 15 so why would they wish to continue. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 You mean when the referee approved a delay to the start time, then the referee postponed the meeting prior to the new start time? Hardly the Coventry promotion's fault, was it. I see that the Coventry promotion's terrible PR reputation is still thriving . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) You're lucky to get a response whether you like the comments or not as I don't know of any other promotion that bothers to correspond with the fans. It's clear to see by the attendances that The Storm's days are sadly numbered and it's a shame because there has been some good racing and it's nice to see the lads improvement, especially Martin Knuckey. Rain putting a stop to things is unfortunate but can't really be helped if the losing team decides they're not going to ride. We pay £15 for two matches (normally £10 each) but have recently twice only seen one and a bit, but both times I can't see how Coventry can be blamed and it's a bit paltry trying to get back what would only amount to a few pounds when things are hard enough as it is. Edited September 12, 2015 by Gemini 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 You're lucky to get a response whether you like the comments or not as I don't know of any other promotion that bothers to correspond with the fans. It's clear to see by the attendances that The Storm's days are sadly numbered and it's a shame because there has been some good racing and it's nice to see the lads improvement, especially Martin Knuckey. Rain putting a stop to things is unfortunate but can't really be helped if the losing team decides they're not going to ride. We pay £15 for two matches (normally £10 each) but have recently twice only seen one and a bit, but both times I can't see how Coventry can be blamed and it's a bit paltry trying to get back what would only amount to a few pounds when things are hard enough as it is. Whether or not other promoters respond to their fans it's unacceptable to reply to comments in the way that Neil Watson has .Just the other day he was stating his disappointment because someone addressed him by his surname only, and asked why others didn't show some respect.Well ,perhaps he should do the same. If he is too busy to deal with a paying customers concerns ( as stated earlier on this topic) he would do well to remember if that attitude continues he won't be busy for too long . One of the main problems with speedway in this country is summed up very aptly by our promoters attitude to his customers. IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 You mean when the referee approved a delay to the start time, then the referee postponed the meeting prior to the new start time? Hardly the Coventry promotion's fault, was it. Can't see anything wrong with that reply to someone saying they'd never go to Coventry again. I'd be a bit tetchy too (if that's what you think it is) if I knew I wasn't at fault but being blamed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Can't see anything wrong with that reply to someone saying they'd never go to Coventry again. I'd be a bit tetchy too (if that's what you think it is) if I knew I wasn't at fault but being blamed. There is a famous old saying...........The customer is always right. even when he is wrong. Given the perilous financial state of british speedway in general I wouldn't imagine they can afford to lose too many more customers. A little bit of tact could go a long way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Why is it bad sportsmanship to not want to ride in potentially dangerous conditions? Because when Coventry did it they got fined £3,900 and Poole gained 4 league points. Now look at the EL table, Poole have beat Coventry by 4 league points. Why is it suddenly different? Either Coventry were cheated in the EL or Coventry were cheated in the NL. Which is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathen1984 Posted September 12, 2015 Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Exactly what I mean Neil Watson, should of been called on before 12 on that day with the amount of rain, joke of a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Exactly what I mean Neil Watson, should of been called on before 12 on that day with the amount of rain, joke of a club. In your opinion, a phrase that is missing from so much propounded on this site. It was not our opinion, nor that of the referee. Because when Coventry did it they got fined £3,900 and Poole gained 4 league points. Now look at the EL table, Poole have beat Coventry by 4 league points. Why is it suddenly different? Either Coventry were cheated in the EL or Coventry were cheated in the NL. Which is it? £4125... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) There is a famous old saying...........The customer is always right. even when he is wrong. Given the perilous financial state of british speedway in general I wouldn't imagine they can afford to lose too many more customers. A little bit of tact could go a long way. While I completely agree with that view, I don't think what Neil has said on this thread is either unreasonable or put in a way that might give offence. I agree with Gem, too. Its most unusual (and equally most welcome)to have a member of a promotion come on this forum and give their side of the story and while I don't always agree with him I think Neil deserves a great deal of credit for it. Speedway fans are always complaining about the lack of interaction between them and promotions and his comments on here are most valuable. When I was critical of a certain promotion this season (after a meeting was abandoned due to the state of the track) all I got from a co-promoter was a refusal to speak to me - even though I was perfectly prepared to speak reasonably - and, eventually, a load of abuse. What's worse, that's not the first time its happened. Needless to say I haven't been back - nor will I be doing so. That's how you drive people away, not by at least attempting to communicate with them. Edited September 13, 2015 by Halifaxtiger 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Because when Coventry did it they got fined £3,900 and Poole gained 4 league points. Now look at the EL table, Poole have beat Coventry by 4 league points. Why is it suddenly different? Either Coventry were cheated in the EL or Coventry were cheated in the NL. Which is it? When Coventry did it in the EL I was fully behind their decision to be honest. Rider safety is paramount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Because when Coventry did it they got fined £3,900 and Poole gained 4 league points. Now look at the EL table, Poole have beat Coventry by 4 league points. Why is it suddenly different? Either Coventry were cheated in the EL or Coventry were cheated in the NL. Which is it? I don't think the Storm were "cheated" on Friday - the referee assessed the conditions and took the appropriate decisions. From that you would be correct in concluding that I might have a different view of the Cov v Poole fiasco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 I don't think the Storm were "cheated" on Friday - the referee assessed the conditions and took the appropriate decisions. My opinion too and I would add that the first match was run at a fast pace with the 2 minutes being put on whilst the riders from the previous race were still on the track so a good referee that night, who I think was Dave Watters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 While I completely agree with that view, I don't think what Neil has said on this thread is either unreasonable or put in a way that might give offence. I agree with Gem, too. Its most unusual (and equally most welcome)to have a member of a promotion come on this forum and give their side of the story and while I don't always agree with him I think Neil deserves a great deal of credit for it. Speedway fans are always complaining about the lack of interaction between them and promotions and his comments on here are most valuable. When I was critical of a certain promotion this season (after a meeting was abandoned due to the state of the track) all I got from a co-promoter was a refusal to speak to me - even though I was perfectly prepared to speak reasonably - and, eventually, a load of abuse. What's worse, that's not the first time its happened. Needless to say I haven't been back - nor will I be doing so. That's how you drive people away, not by at least attempting to communicate with them. Hi HT, My posts on this topic were borne out of a concern for the content in many of Neil Watson's posts recently, not just this topic but others too. The clubs PR is extremely poor in my opinion, and I feel that over the last few weeks some of Neil's replies to posts on the BSF have shown an element of frustration, to put it politely. I don't buy in to this approach that because he posts on here he must be better than the rest, he should be judged on the content in his replies to customers concerns,many of which have shown signs of someone who is losing his patience. He put himself up as spokesman for the bees on this forum, and as such has to take the criticism, along with the praise, it's the nature of the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 Hi HT, My posts on this topic were borne out of a concern for the content in many of Neil Watson's posts recently, not just this topic but others too. The clubs PR is extremely poor in my opinion, and I feel that over the last few weeks some of Neil's replies to posts on the BSF have shown an element of frustration, to put it politely. I don't buy in to this approach that because he posts on here he must be better than the rest, he should be judged on the content in his replies to customers concerns,many of which have shown signs of someone who is losing his patience. He put himself up as spokesman for the bees on this forum, and as such has to take the criticism, along with the praise, it's the nature of the job. We'll have to agree to disagree, I think. To be fair, I haven't read his comments elsewhere. Of course comments count but I think is better than the rest because, for the most part, others simply regard the BSF as a haven for ignorant imbeciles who have no right to criticise. In a refusal to make remarks on this forum about an issue - safety - that rates the most highest, the Kent press officer, for example, described it as being 'utterly without credibility'. While I don't doubt there's a lot of rubbish on here, there are also an awful lot of absolutely genuine, decent fans who spend a great deal of money watching speedway and who have every right to voice their opinions for those reasons. Neil at least tries to respond rather than treating us with contempt and, as I know only too well, abuse. He deserves credit for that. I know ex Sheffield promoter Dave Hoggart a bit and I tried hard to get him to respond to comment on this forum and do so without any side, hostility or aggression. I can remember one occasion when did just that and got 15 likes, simply because as a result of what he did he looked upon the likes of you & I as paying customers, not as unfortunate necessities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted September 13, 2015 Report Share Posted September 13, 2015 And the curfew time at Coventry is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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