g13webb Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Heard this morning that 6 man teams are being proposed to help tackle the rider shortage. Could be an interesting AGM ahead. As per normal the cart coming before the horse. There far more issues to worry about than 6 man teams. Surely the first problem to sort out is the workability of three leagues Then next, sort out two specific race days for the Elite league hoping to interest more top riders to compete. Designate the PL to run on different nights. There's way too many meetings when riders are missing, riding for their parent club instead.... Lets have a laid down program of 'Rules and Guidelines' that all Clubs and Riders are happy to work too. Lets have a progression status so the riders can improve and not have too perform out of their depth like at present. If it is deemed best to operate 6 man teams then so be it. But lets get the priorities right first..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I get the feeling Niels won't be going anywhere... http://www.kingslynnstars.co/2015/10/05/an-evening-with-niels-friends/ This is the kind of thing all clubs should be doing throughout the winter to keep interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 As per normal the cart coming before the horse. There far more issues to worry about than 6 man teams. Surely the first problem to sort out is the workability of three leagues Then next, sort out two specific race days for the Elite league hoping to interest more top riders to compete. Designate the PL to run on different nights. There's way too many meetings when riders are missing, riding for their parent club instead.... Lets have a laid down program of 'Rules and Guidelines' that all Clubs and Riders are happy to work too. Lets have a progression status so the riders can improve and not have too perform out of their depth like at present. If it is deemed best to operate 6 man teams then so be it. But lets get the priorities right first..... Agree...got to be 2 nights for EL and the other 5 nights for PL...then double up and down issues of fixture clashes goes away. Chosen properly (Weds & Thurs?) it should also help limit riders excursions to Poland, Sweden, etc conflicting with EL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Troy Batchelor would be a good signing for Lynn, should improve his average as he is quality around your track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Agree...got to be 2 nights for EL and the other 5 nights for PL...then double up and down issues of fixture clashes goes away. Chosen properly (Weds & Thurs?) it should also help limit riders excursions to Poland, Sweden, etc conflicting with EL I would think Mondays and Wednesdays would suit better.Thursdays you have Sheffield,Ipswich and Redcar riding at home,plus the Swedish second division.Some of the riders currently riding over here ride in that league. Edited October 5, 2015 by tellboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Troy Batchelor would be a good signing for Lynn, should improve his average as he is quality around your track. Yes please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I get the feeling Niels won't be going anywhere... http://www.kingslynnstars.co/2015/10/05/an-evening-with-niels-friends/ Really pleased to see that. Having seen some wonderful riders here at Lynn in my time, top names, that just roll off the tongue, like Betts, Lee, Simmo, Jessup, Sanders, Louis, Crump, Richardson, Pedersen, Henka, Loram, Adams (forgive me if I missed someone's favourite) and when I say I would definitely rate Niels up there with the very best, you'll appreciate how important he has been to the Stars over the past 5 years. When the management start thinking of plans for next year, Niels has to be the first name on the sheet.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Then next, sort out two specific race days for the Elite league hoping to interest more top riders to compete. And the result of that will be to increase promoters' costs, so admission charges rise, so less spectators attend Aren't virtually all these top riders you refer to based abroad? So there's not only their riding fees but transport costs as well Better to have teams almost entirely made up of British-based riders who are keen to ride here, not the so-called stars from across Europe whose main interests lie elsewhere 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 And the result of that will be to increase promoters' costs, so admission charges rise, so less spectators attend Aren't virtually all these top riders you refer to based abroad? So there's not only their riding fees but transport costs as well Better to have teams almost entirely made up of British-based riders who are keen to ride here, not the so-called stars from across Europe whose main interests lie elsewhere You seem to have all the answers and your mind made up. By complying with the other countries in Europe it will be easier for the riders to travel from venue to venue, they won't be as many clashes as there is at present. Whether we can appeal to new riders we don't know, but if we complied to a program as other countries do, as least that way it would ensure our riders are happy and not so knackered trying to fit meetings in to our unfriendly calendar..... If we try, we might get some success, but burying our heads in the sand we won't get anywhere..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 You seem to have all the answers and your mind made up. By complying with the other countries in Europe it will be easier for the riders to travel from venue to venue, they won't be as many clashes as there is at present. Whether we can appeal to new riders we don't know, but if we complied to a program as other countries do, as least that way it would ensure our riders are happy and not so knackered trying to fit meetings in to our unfriendly calendar..... If we try, we might get some success, but burying our heads in the sand we won't get anywhere..... You completely (conveniently?) missed the point of my post - COSTS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 I would think Mondays and Wednesdays would suit better.Thursdays you have Sheffield,Ipswich and Redcar riding at home,plus the Swedish second division.Some of the riders currently riding over here ride in that league.Mondays won't work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) You completely (conveniently?) missed the point of my post - COSTS! No, Not at all .. Your point about costs, are because you're assuming that every club would HAVE pay out more to attract top riders. My point is to organise the sport to comply with other countries and other leagues. and that isn't going to cost ANYMORE than it does now. . All we need is to organise the sport as a body, not a tin-pot organisation governed by specific people and certain clubs with their short-sighted demands. We could have the EL on say Wed and Thurs, We could have PL on Fri ,Sat and Sun, leaving NL for Mon and Tuesdays. That way we could fit in with other countries running their top leagues on specific days, we would also free up clashes when EL riders double up with their PL clubs, we would free up opportunity when the NL clash with PL. A bit of organisation that hasn't cost a penny, but it would be so much better for all concerned. The riders, the fans , the clubs, everyone would benefit . They're going to be people saying, yeah but we can only race on certain days, but that's no problem, cause all days are accounted for. If Wolves say we can on only race on Mondays, then they complete in the NL. Sheffield might say we always race on Thursdays, that's also good, cause they could compete in the EL. There is no reason why this cant be done, all it needs it someone to stand up for the sport and not for themselves...... Surely the sport is more important than any club..... Edited October 6, 2015 by GRW123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 No, Not at all .. Your point about costs, are because you're assuming that every club would HAVE pay out more to attract top riders. My point is to organise the sport to comply with other countries and other leagues. and that isn't going to cost ANYMORE than it does now. . All we need is to organise the sport as a body, not a tin-pot organisation governed by specific people and certain clubs with their short-sighted demands. We could have the EL on say Wed and Thurs, We could have PL on Fri ,Sat and Sun, leaving NL for Mon and Tuesdays. That way we could fit in with other countries running their top leagues on specific days, we would also free up clashes when EL riders double up with their PL clubs, we would free up opportunity when the NL clash with PL. A bit of organisation that hasn't cost a penny, but it would be so much better for all concerned. The riders, the fans , the clubs, everyone would benefit . They're going to be people saying, yeah but we can only race on certain days, but that's no problem, cause all days are accounted for. If Wolves say we can on only race on Mondays, then they complete in the NL. Sheffield might say we always race on Thursdays, that's also good, cause they could compete in the EL. There is no reason why this cant be done, all it needs it someone to stand up for the sport and not for themselves...... Surely the sport is more important than any club..... Not in Dorset, I'm sorry to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Mondays won't work Monday is SKY night so of course it would work. It's worked for 15 years so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Too many riders don't want to race here on a Monday because of racing in Poland on Sunday and Sweden on Tuesday. Both Belle Vue and Wolverhampton have said so in the past. Monday is out if you want the top riders back and fixed nights for the EL. Personally, I'm not convinced the top riders will return until we can match the money offered abroad or, until that money dries up. I can see that initially some top riders might increase crowds but the novelty soon wears off. If they were the answer than crowds would not have dropped so dramatically in the 90's and 2000'S before they disappeared. The answer to survival is more likely to be found in a properly governed sport with more professional presentation,fewer guest riders ,a properly organised fixture list and riders that develop and stay with a team for more than one season. Edited October 6, 2015 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Monday is SKY night so of course it would work. It's worked for 15 years so far. Ask any top rider especially Tai. They do not want to do GP Sat, POL Sun, GB Mon and SWE Tue. Most dont want 4 meetings in 4 days in possibly 4 different countries. Edited October 6, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Not in Dorset, I'm sorry to say.Was waiting for this comment and it only took 7 mins!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Was waiting for this comment and it only took 7 mins!! That's because it didn't take much working out Where were you waiting incidentally? My post has been on here for 2.5 hours Edited October 6, 2015 by Dave Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 That's because it didn't take much working out Could have given us a bit more suspense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Could have given us a bit more suspense If something needs to be said, say it. That's my motto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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