Shale Searcher Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Thought there had been 2 now,not 100% sure though. They cancelled the 2nd meeting... If they'd ran it, both teams were without key riders because of fixture clashes, team A, 3 guests and R/R, team B, 2 guests and R/R!! Only joking!!!!!!😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 They cancelled the 2nd meeting... If they'd ran it, both teams were without key riders because of fixture clashes, team A, 3 guests and R/R, team B, 2 guests and R/R!! Only joking!!!!!! And wasn't there a threat of some rain a fortnight before?!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 There has been meeting run behind closed door this year try a new format but we will have to wait and see. Yes ......... with 6 man teams... already tried & it didn't work even with a different race format will make little difference Back to the basics please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 And wasn't there a threat of some rain a fortnight before?!! Yea, the rain didn't materialise either!! Still, that's what the punters want, weeks between matches, called off if track not 100%, and 6 man teams littered with guests and R/R, looks like a corner has been turned in British Speedway!! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I can see the punters flocking back. Full House signs going up throughout the Country an hour before tapes up. People running the sport keeping doing the same old thing yet they expect a different outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 If the change to 6 man teams helps with less fixture clashes, doubling up etc all good BUT the promoters have to do more, make the tracks good for racing would be my first priority, look after the fans, give the fans the info they need, look at the whole show!! I bloody hope they aren't just concentrating on the meeting/race format!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 If the change to 6 man teams helps with less fixture clashes, doubling up etc all good BUT the promoters have to do more, make the tracks good for racing would be my first priority, look after the fans, give the fans the info they need, look at the whole show!! I bloody hope they aren't just concentrating on the meeting/race format!! How I see it we have but two choices. To retain the services of SGP riders, we have to run the Elite league on specific days, to bring us inline with our fellow European leagues. The PL running on different nights will eliminated Meetings and Rider clashes. Failing that, then the only other option to forego the involvement of SGP riders to foreclose the Elite League and operate with only 2 leagues in this country. Div. 1 and Div. 2. (these can be called whatever) These could operate independently of the SGP and operate on Friday Saturday and Sunday nights, hoping the more convenient race night will encourage more fans to come. Anything must be better than relying on guests and R/R every meeting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 The PL has the same problem as EL on the sense of guests and R/R it's getting more apparent year on year . For me fixed race night is the only route to go down together with squad system which would hopefully bring back some of the missing top riders - if we go without GP riders we just water the product down yet again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 How I see it we have but two choices. To retain the services of SGP riders, we have to run the Elite league on specific days, to bring us inline with our fellow European leagues. The PL running on different nights will eliminated Meetings and Rider clashes. Failing that, then the only other option to forego the involvement of SGP riders to foreclose the Elite League and operate with only 2 leagues in this country. Div. 1 and Div. 2. (these can be called whatever) These could operate independently of the SGP and operate on Friday Saturday and Sunday nights, hoping the more convenient race night will encourage more fans to come. Anything must be better than relying on guests and R/R every meeting.... That plan could backfire, as the only time to see GP riders would be on the Saturday night!! They may only then attend the further watered down league on GP off nights!!!!! Rock/Hard place.... Doesn't seem to be much middle ground at all.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 That plan could backfire, as the only time to see GP riders would be on the Saturday night!! They may only then attend the further watered down league on GP off nights!!!!! Rock/Hard place.... Doesn't seem to be much middle ground at all.. I believe, by continuing with our middle ground attitude, as we have done for so long, is the reason our sport is in the decline it is. We either comply with other main countries and run the Elite on specific nights, or we close the door to top riders and run our league to suit us, at a cost we can afford.... Employing top riders, is now a false economy. They don't entice new fans into the sport, they only satisfy a few existing fans to continue their involvement. .. These past few years I've been to many PL meetings and have come to the conclusion there's not much to choose between them. The attendances are similar, and so is the excitement, proving to me the big earners are a waste of time.... I love to see Niels race every week. I've referred to it as 'Poetry In Motion'. a wonderful sight to behold. But is that enough to ask fans to come and watch. Recently I went to EESG and saw a cracking meeting. The Panthers lost that night, but the excitement and buzz around the place was brilliant. Lynn are having a bad time at the moment, not all their own doing. But the system does nothing to help. I'm a speedway nut, who loves to hear and smell the atmosphere of a competitive meeting. I don't want to go and witness, Guests, R/R and Delays . I want to be entertained with competitive racing, not be bored watching procession racing from uneven teams . Concentrating on some 'Middle Order' rubbish will only kill off what support there is left..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 there is NO new rule or race format that is going to make the fans flock back, but what HAS to happen is to regain stability with what we have. paying out more money to get top riders back won't make a difference on crowd levels, so I can't see that happening any more than we have, it would just be financial suicide. personally, I hope we have one big league, 6 rider teams, and in turn it should mean no double up/down which in my eyes is one of the big issues we have. I photograph at both Kings Lynn and Peterborough but there are many times I have no idea who will be riding for the home team, let alone the away! we need stability, number 1 priority, and from stability we can build 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 there is NO new rule or race format that is going to make the fans flock back, but what HAS to happen is to regain stability with what we have. paying out more money to get top riders back won't make a difference on crowd levels, so I can't see that happening any more than we have, it would just be financial suicide. personally, I hope we have one big league, 6 rider teams, and in turn it should mean no double up/down which in my eyes is one of the big issues we have. I photograph at both Kings Lynn and Peterborough but there are many times I have no idea who will be riding for the home team, let alone the away! we need stability, number 1 priority, and from stability we can build If, the top boys, you know, the likes of Doyle, Holder, Zagar, Woffinden, etc cost so blooming much, if we lose them from the Elite (top) League, would that mean the Elite (top) League could knock off £4 to £5 off its admission?? Or, do the Premier League rip fans off by only charging the same as, or £1 to £2 less to get in than the top league??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 If, the top boys, you know, the likes of Doyle, Holder, Zagar, Woffinden, etc cost so blooming much, if we lose them from the Elite (top) League, would that mean the Elite (top) League could knock off £4 to £5 off its admission?? Or, do the Premier League rip fans off by only charging the same as, or £1 to £2 less to get in than the top league??? The PL Is the rip off league let's face it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 (edited) The PL Is the rip off league let's face it. Quality of racing is similar,if not better than EL league racing imo. Edited August 19, 2016 by tellboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Quality of racing is similar,if not better than EL league racing imo. Nothing to do with quality of racing , talking about cost of attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Nothing to do with quality of racing , talking about cost of attendance. Yes but why would it be a rip off if the racing is the same if not better.The EL is overpriced don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Yes but why would it be a rip off if the racing is the same if not better.The EL is overpriced don't you think? No, I think the EL is about right, maybe it could be rounded down to £15, but that would make it cheaper than the 2nd Division!!!! So maybe it's the Premier League that's over priced!! Perhaps that is the £10 version, and the NL should be £5 in........ If the average pay per point in the Elite League was £200, you would need gate receipts to be over £18,000 just to cover the nights basic wages, so you would need minimum 1,000 fully paying adults @ £18 admission How many EL tracks have 1,000 adults paying £18 admission? Not many every week, and we've seen posts on here when crowds have been estimated as small as 700/800 and that wouldn't be made up solely of fully paying adults would it....? How is Speedway surviving? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 If, the top boys, you know, the likes of Doyle, Holder, Zagar, Woffinden, etc cost so blooming much, if we lose them from the Elite (top) League, would that mean the Elite (top) League could knock off £4 to £5 off its admission?? Or, do the Premier League rip fans off by only charging the same as, or £1 to £2 less to get in than the top league??? Not being privy to the finances of running a meeting it is difficult to answer them questions, But top riders need to have logistics in place to even contemplate riding in our league. That will include a Couple of bikes, A van, Mechanic, all of which need to be paid for.... When comparing them costs, to the majority of PL riders, who have all their equipment based in the UK , then the expenses are much less. So yes, they're must represent a considerable saving for the PL clubs.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Not being privy to the finances of running a meeting it is difficult to answer them questions, But top riders need to have logistics in place to even contemplate riding in our league. That will include a Couple of bikes, A van, Mechanic, all of which need to be paid for.... When comparing them costs, to the majority of PL riders, who have all their equipment based in the UK , then the expenses are much less. So yes, they're must represent a considerable saving for the PL clubs.... I thought the cost of PL riders was the reason Buster took us into the EL?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) Yes but why would it be a rip off if the racing is the same if not better.The EL is overpriced don't you think?It's more expensive to run in the EL. Costs are higher, riders wages are higher and star riders costing more than PL riders so it makes sense that the EL is higher price to get in. Cost to run versus cost to attend is in more proportion than the PL.Given that the PL charges £1-3 less for significantly lower costs to run makes them the league that rips off the fans the most. You are confusing your view on standard of racing (if you believe the racing in the PL Is the same standard ) with the cost to run. So the PL Is the bigger rip off. Edited August 20, 2016 by stevebrum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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