New Science Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Exactly, he mentioned this many times during the season, the setup that was firing him out of the gate the previous season, wasn't working and he couldn't figure it out. In addition to this, as good as Tai is, he was never a 'master' of Monmore to the levels that Sam, PK, Mikael Max, Lindgren had been in previous years. Although riding it most certainly has helped him on the world stage as his use of the cutbacks demonstrate! Its a mystery ,couldn't find a set up to fire him out of the start in England but it was working in Sweden and Poland. That says equipment to me ! or maybe it was the latitude or atmospheric pressure in Britain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Pages and pages of assumptions and know best on why Tai's UK form in 2014 was poor. Sorry guys. none of you really know including me. I can tell you the logistics to race speedway in three leagues plus SGP is mind boggling. I also find the view that a rider chasing the world championship should use his best engine in the British League quite amusing, as well as the assumption that this means his British engines were therefore substandard. I love the BSF! Did we sign the 2016 team yet? Edited October 15, 2015 by SteveEvans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Its a mystery ,couldn't find a set up to fire him out of the start in England but it was working in Sweden and Poland. That says equipment to me ! or maybe it was the latitude or atmospheric pressure in Britain. Setups for English tracks are completely different to those in Sweden and Poland. Funnily enough, temperature, weather conditions, track conditions, material all play a part. It's not an exact science. Your point actually supports my argument, if it was so simple, he would have fixed it wouldn't he? Again, nobody has come up with a reason why he would prefer to be missing the gate or gating alongside lesser riders.. As a point about bikes working in place and not another, look what happened when Niels K Iversen guested for us in the playoffs, he couldn't get access to his UK bikes, so brought his GP bike with him, one he'd just done well on (may have won, I don't remember) in the GP that weekend. What happened? He was shocking, couldn't get out the starts on it at all. Edited October 15, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Its a mystery ,couldn't find a set up to fire him out of the start in England but it was working in Sweden and Poland. That says equipment to me ! or maybe it was the latitude or atmospheric pressure in Britain. And don't forget his meetings at KL that year ...before springing into action in the world cup ....maybe it was the weather again lol ..you could see it when he was at Swindon and Kings lynn and him thinking these tracks are nothing like Sweden and Poland ( what by the way are quite clearly are all the same) and thinking dam if only if it was has hot as it was in Poland on Sunday or when a GP comes about lol Edited October 15, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Its a mystery ,couldn't find a set up to fire him out of the start in England but it was working in Sweden and Poland. That says equipment to me ! Careful, you have some on here that believe they know more about his set ups than he does! But yes in the real world it does say equipment. Still waiting for some to come up with a valid reason why he was riding well everywhere else but not EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Careful, you have some on here that believe they know more about his set ups than he does! But yes in the real world it does say equipment. Still waiting for some to come up with a valid reason why he was riding well everywhere else but not EL. Of course they have Steve ..the weather 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Careful, you have some on here that believe they know more about his set ups than he does! But yes in the real world it does say equipment. Still waiting for some to come up with a valid reason why he was riding well everywhere else but not EL. As I said above, none of us know! But it isn't down to a supposed super engine he used in the British Final! His Midlands Today interview yesterday certainly gives an overview of the big picture. Not a direct answer to the issue but certainly enlightening. Edited October 15, 2015 by SteveEvans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Give the guy a break, he took too much on under serious pressure to ride in England as World Champion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 As I said above, none of us know! But it isn't down to a supposed super engine he used in the British Final! His Midlands Today interview yesterday certainly gives an overview of the big picture. Not a direct answer to the issue but certainly enlightening. We saw his documentary as well that as good as backed up the local interview. It's a punishing schedule we all get that. However the only thing none of us know is why he was flying in Poland and Sweden but pretty poor in the EL. He was tired ,I get that. However he seemed to have better energy and speed abroad! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 We saw his documentary as well that as good as backed up the local interview. It's a punishing schedule we all get that. However the only thing none of us know is why he was flying in Poland and Sweden but pretty poor in the EL. He was tired ,I get that. However he seemed to have better energy and speed abroad! Its a mystery. And a shame for him and us. You just don't want to see your star struggle and its definitely frustrating. Some things within speedway have an explanation some don't. This one is a definite gray area. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Give the guy a break, he took too much on under serious pressure to ride in England as World Champion. But no pressure in Sweden ,Poland and the Gp and the World cup thou ? Edited October 15, 2015 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Tai won 5 gp"s so far, not yet in Britain, im sure hes not trying here!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) And don't forget his meetings at KL that year ...before springing into action in the world cup ....maybe it was the weather again lol ..you could see it when he was at Swindon and Kings lynn and him thinking these tracks are nothing like Sweden and Poland ( what by the way are quite clearly are all the same) and thinking dam if only if it was has hot as it was in Poland on Sunday or when a GP comes about lol Correct, those tracks ARE nothing like those in Sweden and Poland. Indeed Swindon is very different to Kings Lynn. If you think one big track is the same as the next, time to educate yourself again. There have been many many riders who have spoken about how the bike setups vary a lot from one country to another, mainly due to different types of shale and the way they are prepared. As for his 'meetings at Kings Lynn'.. let's take a look at them shall we. In the A meeting he was unbeaten in his first two rides.. in his third the update comments state "Best race of the night by a country mile. Bjerre gated with the other three close behind, handkerchief could have been put over all four for the entire race. Schlein last for the whole heat but swept tound Woffinden on the last bend, as he was team riding Wells home. Phew! So loses out trying to team ride Wells home.. and his final race he retired. In the B meeting... the only rider who beat him all night was Iversen who beat him 3 times.. with the exception of Heat 11 where the comments are:- "Woffinden in front from the off, but Schlein battles past him between bends 3 and 4 on lap 2, just cuts in front of Woffinden's pas causing him to fall. Woffinden gets up and continues the hat, but think he was lapped anyway, so he'd be excluded? So he falls off whilst tussling for the lead? Interesting for someone not trying. Back to the drawing board Orion. Edited October 15, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I reckon Tai didn't really want to ride in the EL 2014, but felt obliged too as World Champion & with Peter Adams helping him in the SGP's. Watching him in the pits, he didn't look as focused (laughing & carefree) & didn't seem to be taking his UK racing seriously. Think he also got a bit cocky after winning his first title, but, FairPlay to him, he was quick to learn from that experience If he came back I'm sure he would only do it if he could give 100% & this requires a conducive structure (single/two day racing; so I don't expect to see him riding for an EL club anytime soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) The issue, at least for me, wasn't, and still isn't, what caused the ridiculous drop in his average, I have insufficient knowledge to make that judgement, but rather, when it was obvious early season that it wasn't working for him in the UK, Woffinden, CVS & Adams carried on with business as usual, costing the club any chance of a shot at the play offs. Edited October 16, 2015 by Wolfsbane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 The issue, at least for me, wasn't, and still isn't, what caused the ridiculous drop in his average, I have insufficient knowledge to make that judgement, but rather, when it was obvious early season that it wasn't working for him in the UK, Woffinden, CVS & Adams carried on with business as usual, costing the club any chance of a shot at the play offs. At least the management are consistent - sticking with super slow Freddie in 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 The issue, at least for me, wasn't, and still isn't, what caused the ridiculous drop in his average, I have insufficient knowledge to make that judgement, but rather, when it was obvious early season that it wasn't working for him in the UK, Woffinden, CVS & Adams carried on with business as usual, costing the club any chance of a shot at the play offs. I agree that wolves often don't make the required changes, however on this case, there was no option really. Still waiting for some to come up with a valid reason why he was riding well everywhere else but not EL. If anyone knew the reason it could have been fixed, that's the whole point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Correct, those tracks ARE nothing like those in Sweden and Poland. Indeed Swindon is very different to Kings Lynn. If you think one big track is the same as the next, time to educate yourself again. There have been many many riders who have spoken about how the bike setups vary a lot from one country to another, mainly due to different types of shale and the way they are prepared. As for his 'meetings at Kings Lynn'.. let's take a look at them shall we. In the A meeting he was unbeaten in his first two rides.. in his third the update comments state "Best race of the night by a country mile. Bjerre gated with the other three close behind, handkerchief could have been put over all four for the entire race. Schlein last for the whole heat but swept tound Woffinden on the last bend, as he was team riding Wells home. Phew! So loses out trying to team ride Wells home.. and his final race he retired. In the B meeting... the only rider who beat him all night was Iversen who beat him 3 times.. with the exception of Heat 11 where the comments are:- "Woffinden in front from the off, but Schlein battles past him between bends 3 and 4 on lap 2, just cuts in front of Woffinden's pas causing him to fall. Woffinden gets up and continues the hat, but think he was lapped anyway, so he'd be excluded? So he falls off whilst tussling for the lead? Interesting for someone not trying. Back to the drawing board Orion. So why keep grouping Poland and Sweden together then if all tracks are not the same ? so to sum things up Woffy could find a set up nearly every time he never put a wolves rack jacket on but the moment took it off he found it including tracks like Kings Lynn and Wolves in the uk when they were not league matches . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 So why keep grouping Poland and Sweden together then if all tracks are not the same ? so to sum things up Woffy could find a set up nearly every time he never put a wolves rack jacket on but the moment took it off he found it including tracks like Kings Lynn and Wolves in the uk when they were not league matches . You keep grouping Poland and Sweden together. I've been telling you they're different countries, different equipment, different backup teams/mechanics etc. The claim he was dominant at Wolves when not in Wolves colors has already been disproved, he wasn't. Ben Barker and Craig Cook outscored him. The claim he was dominant at Kings Lynn when not in Wolves colours has been disproved as he rode pretty well at Lynn, only Iversen getting the better of him bar a fall and a retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 anything on the 2016 team ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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