BWitcher Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Quite. There's also another factor, mentioned by an earlier poster (apologies for not going through the thread to name him or her) -- credibility. The more frequently sides can actually put out their declared line-up (injuries, naturally, notwithstanding) the better for the sport's standing with the non-afficionado (such as it is). Edit: Having checked, it was BWitcher himself who mentioned credibility earlier, so here I am pointing him in the direction of his own post I wouldn't trust anything he says though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 OPTION ONE Two matches on a Monday night and a further two meetings on a Wednesday night. This keeps the Sky Sports deal for live matches. OPTION TWO Wednesday nights with one meeting switching to the Monday for Sky Sports when required. Next year there is also likley to be a squad system incorporating the top riders where two riders share the same position like Tai Woffinden and Piotr Pawlicki at Wolverhampton or Maciej Janowski and Chris Holder at Poole as examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 OPTION ONE Two matches on a Monday night and a further two meetings on a Wednesday night. This keeps the Sky Sports deal for live matches. OPTION TWO Wednesday nights with one meeting switching to the Monday for Sky Sports when required. Next year there is also likley to be a squad system incorporating the top riders where two riders share the same position like Tai Woffinden and Piotr Pawlicki at Wolverhampton or Maciej Janowski and Chris Holder at Poole as examples. So this will save speedway( in the UK) and all these riders have agreed to be in the league next season or will they have another reason for not wanting to race here such as Money offer them enough and you won't have to mess about with anything let's call it OPTION THREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 OPTION ONE Two matches on a Monday night and a further two meetings on a Wednesday night. This keeps the Sky Sports deal for live matches. OPTION TWO Wednesday nights with one meeting switching to the Monday for Sky Sports when required. Next year there is also likley to be a squad system incorporating the top riders where two riders share the same position like Tai Woffinden and Piotr Pawlicki at Wolverhampton or Maciej Janowski and Chris Holder at Poole as examples. I presume that you are also proposing cutting the league programme. 28 weeks, plus three reserved dates for rain-offs would mean the playoffs taking place in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I wouldn't trust anything he says though! Well, there is that, of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 So this will save speedway( in the UK) and all these riders have agreed to be in the league next season or will they have another reason for not wanting to race here such as Money offer them enough and you won't have to mess about with anything let's call it OPTION THREE How many times does it have to be explained to you? The biggest issue is the constantly missing riders when they are racing for another team in the same country! If it brings back some top riders as well without having to pay them MORE then that's a bonus too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 How many times does it have to be explained to you? The biggest issue is the constantly missing riders when they are racing for another team in the same country! If it brings back some top riders as well without having to pay them MORE then that's a bonus too. It is NOT an explanation it is my opinion and yours differing nothing more we may both be right to some extent but it is my opinion that fixed nights will solve very little but I am happy to be proved wrong .We have limited information( I have non you may solid official info) as with most things in s/way a lot of it is shrouded in secrecy and we don't all the pieces to the puzzle . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 It is NOT an explanation it is my opinion and yours differing nothing more we may both be right to some extent but it is my opinion that fixed nights will solve very little but I am happy to be proved wrong .We have limited information( I have non you may solid official info) as with most things in s/way a lot of it is shrouded in secrecy and we don't all the pieces to the puzzle . Yes it is an explanation, not an opinion. The Elite League running on different nights to the Premier League means no double up riders would be missing from either league. That is a fact, not an opinion. Less riders missing from teams in both leagues for matches is better for fans, better for riders, better for promotions, better for the credibility of the sport. Those are facts, not an opinion. You seem to be advocating carrying on as we are, with teams racing with multiple guests + R/R.... That is what fixed nights on the correct nights will solve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 It is NOT an explanation it is my opinion and yours differing nothing more we may both be right to some extent but it is my opinion that fixed nights will solve very little but I am happy to be proved wrong .We have limited information( I have non you may solid official info) as with most things in s/way a lot of it is shrouded in secrecy and we don't all the pieces to the puzzle . It seems me that you made up your mind you don't like it and your going make up any reason you can find to do that . You started off by saying it would effect Pl teams. Once it was explain to you that would not be the case you changed to top riders taking money out of the sport etc etc thou clearly that won't be true . To me your just an old fan who does not like any change .I bet if it ever started your be sitting there preying for it to fail and be unhappy if it worked . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Kings Lynn wouldn't have changed their race night this year unless Thursdays was one of the race nights .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Kings Lynn wouldn't have changed their race night this year unless Thursdays was one of the race nights .... Very likely. Basically showing once again that those in charge do NOT listen to fans and are completely and utterly out of touch with what the sport needs to do to have any credibility at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 It seems me that you made up your mind you don't like it and your going make up any reason you can find to do that . You started off by saying it would effect Pl teams. Once it was explain to you that would not be the case you changed to top riders taking money out of the sport etc etc thou clearly that won't be true . To me your just an old fan who does not like any change .I bet if it ever started your be sitting there preying for it to fail and be unhappy if it worked . Nothing could be further from the truth I wish nothing but the best for this sport remain unconvinced fixed nights it will not effect the Pl, ( this is IMO) others have said that fixed nights would attract top riders back to the league i very much doubt this and remain of that opinion .I am am probable an old fan but would like think that I can still embrace change if I consider the actions being taken appropriate. Yes it is an explanation, not an opinion. The Elite League running on different nights to the Premier League means no double up riders would be missing from either league. That is a fact, not an opinion. Less riders missing from teams in both leagues for matches is better for fans, better for riders, better for promotions, better for the credibility of the sport. Those are facts, not an opinion. You seem to be advocating carrying on as we are, with teams racing with multiple guests + R/R.... That is what fixed nights on the correct nights will solve. What are the correct nights that will solve all the problems ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't think anybody is suggesting that fixed night will 'solve all the problems' but straight away Mondays & Wednesdays will avoid clashes with PL clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I don't think anybody is suggesting that fixed night will 'solve all the problems' but straight away Mondays & Wednesdays will avoid clashes with PL clubs. Buster has already stated it's likely to be Monday and/or Thursday so their's no clash with Denmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 In this week's SS Jon Cook is supporting Thursday and Friday. The argument in favour of avoiding clashes with the PL is very valid and would please many,including me but just how many extra fans would it attract? Undoubtedly, some but I don't see it as something that stops newcomers. They come for the first time, see the spectacle of four men on bikes racing, the presentation, the atmosphere, the facilities in the stadium, the cost and they either decide it's worth another visit or that it isn't for them. In any event the problem of doubling up riders can be solved by other means. Better fixture planning and squads are two ways apparently being tried this year. My opinion on bringing back the top riders is that the real problem is money. Monday and Wednesday racing will help for some but they still won't come if the money isn't right and the fact is that the sport in the UK can't afford them. Crowds were falling long before they left and will they even increase crowd numbers sufficient to cover their cost? Having seen the effect on crowds at Belle Vue when Crump and Zagar were and weren't riding, I doubt it. Monday and Wednesday also have the added problem of not being consecutive days, so potentially involving riders travelling from Poland to the UK to Sweden and back to the UK on consecutive days. That is not going to encourage them to come here. Conversely, having Friday and to a lesser extent Thursday as the fixed days is much more attractive to parents to bring along children and only involves one trip for riders from abroad. It is also the time of week when many think about spending whatever they have available for sport and entertainment and so far more likely to bring in the new fans and bring back some of those who have drifted away. Saturday is even better but we know there are just too many problems for the EL to use that night on a regular basis. Perhaps the most telling point is going to be that potentially 4 EL clubs, 50%, are likely to be in favour of Friday when it comes to the vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 John Cook is just supporting his own interest by choosing a Friday. Friday's should be a no go for the EL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Of course he is but that's because Friday is the best night for the club to get the best crowd.It is no accident that 3 clubs have decided that Friday is the best night for them to race and that a fourth wanted to change to that night. It is a sound commercial decision. The problem is that some clubs are restricted by the nights available from their landlords and in some cases, I'm thinking of Poole, by perhaps not wanting to change from a traditional race night which is still bringing in decent crowds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 John Cook is just supporting his own interest by choosing a Friday. Friday's should be a no go for the EL Absolutely correct. Cook is clearly acting out of self interest which is no surprise. How on earth can any EL promoter think that Friday is a good idea given that several PL teams ride on that day plus how on earth is that a tempter for top class riders who have GP practice on that day also every 2 or 3 weeks? Plain crazy. Mondays and Wednesdays would be best as far as minimising clashes with PL although it seems clear that Thursday is one of the set days given that the Stars have changed there race night. That said, how does that affect Sheffield and Ipswich? I can't see either team altering their race nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Some of the Thurs/Fri PL clubs could possibly be enticed to move up? Somerset, Edinburgh, Sheffield and Ipswich? I just don't see how moving 6 out of the 8 clubs race night will work. Thats a big risk to take and I would doubt many EL clubs would want to be in the EL if it was Monday and Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Some of the Thurs/Fri PL clubs could possibly be enticed to move up? Somerset, Edinburgh, Sheffield and Ipswich? I just don't see how moving 6 out of the 8 clubs race night will work. Thats a big risk to take and I would doubt many EL clubs would want to be in the EL if it was Monday and Wednesday. Ipswich have said they would come back to the EL when it suited. Sheffield under new promotion (since Machin who was against moving up) could also. Glasgow I have read would move up. So perhaps the BSPA already know that Thursday is best because of the Thursday teams wanting to move up. It's a big risk for ALL EL tracks to move off their usual race nights. However to do nothing and allow the league to get any weaker is the worst possible thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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