mikebv Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Monday and Wednesday wouldn't be viable either. They'd have to fly to Britain twice in two days which riders won't do and even if they did want to promotions couldn't afford it. Tai has already said riders dont want to do GP Sat, Pol sun, GB Mon and Sweden Tue. Add to that another flight and meeting Wednesday? It should be a single day or consecutive two days. Maybe wrong, but didn't Tai say that Monday was ideal as it meant he could do three days riding with Poland and Sweden either side and then have a good rest/prep time before a GP weekend or Poland on the following Sunday?? Be interesting to see what BV make of a race night during the week as they have definitely got a vision of Friday and Saturdays as their business plan given 'no school the next day' should help attract a younger fan base.. Is Poland's Friday TV match schedule the 'whole' seasons fixtures or will matches be added to as the season progresses similar to how Sky schedule their matches? Could be a bit messy for the EL if Fridays are now added to the 'off limits' list.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Maybe wrong, but didn't Tai say that Monday was ideal as it meant he could do three days riding with Poland and Sweden either side and then have a good rest/prep time before a GP weekend or Poland on the following Sunday?? Be interesting to see what BV make of a race night during the week as they have definitely got a vision of Friday and Saturdays as their business plan given 'no school the next day' should help attract a younger fan base.. Is Poland's Friday TV match schedule the 'whole' seasons fixtures or will matches be added to as the season progresses similar to how Sky schedule their matches? Could be a bit messy for the EL if Fridays are now added to the 'off limits' list.. I'm quite sure he said he wasn't keen on travelling and riding 4 days straight, the odd week was 5 days straight. The dates aren't meant to clash with the PL so I doubt Fridays are being considered.3 EL clubs (possibly 4 with Leicester) will need convincing. Thats half the EL. Maybe they hope to tempt the big boys back and others therefore not needing d/u? Edited February 9, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Spot on with your first two sentences but I doubt whether you would see many GP riders coming, apart from those that are here anyway. You might get enough to get Kings Lynn and Leicester up to a reasonably competitive level which is something I suppose but I would be surprised if you would get enough to make any significant difference to the overall level of competition. Even non GP riders of the level of Peter Ljung, Jonas Davidsson and Timo Lahti for example are not interested, and certainly not Miedzinski. Plenty of them are interested for a bit of extra cash before the Polish season starts, and if their Polish clubs go out of the play-offs but very few want to commit to a whole season apart from those that are already here. So it's sounds well worth messing about with fixed race nights NOT Maybe wrong, but didn't Tai say that Monday was ideal as it meant he could do three days riding with Poland and Sweden either side and then have a good rest/prep time before a GP weekend or Poland on the following Sunday?? Be interesting to see what BV make of a race night during the week as they have definitely got a vision of Friday and Saturdays as their business plan given 'no school the next day' should help attract a younger fan base.. Is Poland's Friday TV match schedule the 'whole' seasons fixtures or will matches be added to as the season progresses similar to how Sky schedule their matches? Could be a bit messy for the EL if Fridays are now added to the 'off limits' list.. Maybe wrong, but didn't Tai say that Monday was ideal as it meant he could do three days riding with Poland and Sweden either side and then have a good rest/prep time before a GP weekend or Poland on the following Sunday?? Be interesting to see what BV make of a race night during the week as they have definitely got a vision of Friday and Saturdays as their business plan given 'no school the next day' should help attract a younger fan base.. Is Poland's Friday TV match schedule the 'whole' seasons fixtures or will matches be added to as the season progresses similar to how Sky schedule their matches? Could be a bit messy for the EL if Fridays are now added to the 'off limits' list.. Good for BV Imo this far more realistic to try and encourage a younger fan base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Based on what ? who knows how many would ride again on a fixed race night ...it's impossible to judge ....the main thing is to get riders to miss less meetings, what fans say in there biggest problem at the moment ...if better riders come then it's a bonus . Based on ouch's post about needing two consecutive race nights rather than one , and probably half the GP riders especially the Poles have never shown much interest in coming here at the best of times. Nobody is disputing the fact that the most important thing is to get riders to miss less meetings, although all the available info at the moment suggests they will try to do it by some kind of squad system and race nights fixed at Thurs/ Fri but we will probably know more by the end of next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 3 EL clubs (possibly 4 with Leicester) will need convincing. Thats half the EL. Maybe they hope to tempt the big boys back and others therefore not needing d/u? It's already been confirmed by CVS that the EL is moving to 2 race nights and that squads and number one job shares are happening in 2017 (although it wasn't made clear if its optional or expected for all sides to conform). Only one club voted against squads and job shares for this season so it looks like 7 of the current EL sides are already convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Based on ouch's post about needing two consecutive race nights rather than one , and probably half the GP riders especially the Poles have never shown much interest in coming here at the best of times. Nobody is disputing the fact that the most important thing is to get riders to miss less meetings, although all the available info at the moment suggests they will try to do it by some kind of squad system and race nights fixed at Thurs/ Fri but we will probably know more by the end of next week. i expect over half of the gp's riders have at one stage rode in the uk before ...as i said you are guessing that riders won't come back on fixed race nights as it's based no data as it's never happened before ...and if will need 2 or 3 to make a massive difference ...i also expect they spoken to Tai etc and taken in what has said before going ahead with this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 i expect over half of the gp's riders have at one stage rode in the uk before ...as i said you are guessing that riders won't come back on fixed race nights as it's based no data as it's never happened before ...and if will need 2 or 3 to make a massive difference ...i also expect they spoken to Tai etc and taken in what has said before going ahead with this . Pete Adams confirmed he spoke to all the GP/top boys on the request of the BSPA who all stated they would be interested. Saying it and doing it will be another thing. It's still down to money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Pete Adams confirmed he spoke to all the GP/top boys on the request of the BSPA who all stated they would be interested. Saying it and doing it will be another thing. It's still down to money. Indeed it is down to money !!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Isn't Monday Sweden ? Not making a meal of it but 99% of fans are saying Monday for a race night for a reason, 99% of fans know that sky run elite league meetings on a Monday as the top boys will be there as Sweden and Poland don't race on Mondays. Can't get my head around why you wouldn't know that Clearly doesn't read Speedway Star or he would know that!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Monday and Wednesday wouldn't be viable either. They'd have to fly to Britain twice in two days which riders won't do and even if they did want to promotions couldn't afford it. Tai has already said riders dont want to do GP Sat, Pol sun, GB Mon and Sweden Tue. Add to that another flight and meeting Wednesday? It should be a single day or consecutive two days. This is why I thought they were considering Thurs & Fri. Several EL clubs already ride at home on these nights and it gives two consecutive days as you say. I just don't think it's right to pander to the few at the top so hope that any decision for fixed nights will be because of the benefits it will bring to fans and all riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) This is why I thought they were considering Thurs & Fri. Several EL clubs already ride at home on these nights and it gives two consecutive days as you say. I just don't think it's right to pander to the few at the top so hope that any decision for fixed nights will be because of the benefits it will bring to fans and all riders. The ideal days in terms of all riders likely to be available would be Wednesday and Thursday. I'm quite sure Rosco mentioned Fridays though. Edited February 10, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 And still people miss what should be the whole point of the exercise. Running on DIFFERENT nights to the Premier League. If you don't do that, it's a total waste of time. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 The ideal days in terms of all riders likely to be available would be Wednesday and Thursday. I'm quite sure Rosco mentioned Fridays though. Many riders now race in Denmark on Wednesdays, including your own Harris and King, so if they want to avoid clashes that night's out as well! And still people miss what should be the whole point of the exercise. Running on DIFFERENT nights to the Premier League. If you don't do that, it's a total waste of time. You're thinking this is all for the fans' benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Many riders now race in Denmark on Wednesdays, including your own Harris and King, so if they want to avoid clashes that night's out as well! Holstebro and Munkebo, along with Outrup, have the majority of their Danish 2016 home fixtures scheduled for Fridays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 And still people miss what should be the whole point of the exercise. Running on DIFFERENT nights to the Premier League. If you don't do that, it's a total waste of time. should be doing this already, it's ridiculous that they don't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Many riders now race in Denmark on Wednesdays, including your own Harris and King, so if they want to avoid clashes that night's out as well! You're thinking this is all for the fans' benefit You are somewhat confused - a third of Danish matches including most of those King and Harris's teams will participate in are on Fridays. Furthermore looking at the structure of both teams squads it seems unlikely either will get many appearances unless some of the regulars suffer long term injuries. The point about EL and PL not clashing is primarily for riders benefit as it will allow doubling up without clashes (cf Simon Lambert) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Holstebro and Munkebo, along with Outrup, have the majority of their Danish 2016 home fixtures scheduled for Fridays. DIdn't realise that but still thought most Danish meetings were on Wednesdays, oh well. Can't see Lakeside, BV or Coventry moving from Fridays though. Edited February 10, 2016 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Also................................. If riders end up with fixture clashes all over the oche, it defeats the point in riding for two teams, as they'll miss a fixture whilst riding for one of the two teams!!!!! Edited February 10, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Many riders now race in Denmark on Wednesdays, including your own Harris and King, so if they want to avoid clashes that night's out as well! You're thinking this is all for the fans' benefit No it would be for the promoters, riders and fans benefit. Less riders missing from teams each week = more fans bothering to attend, hence better for fans and promoters. No fixture clashes allows doubling up riders to race in more meetings. Edited February 10, 2016 by BWitcher 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) No it would be for the promoters, riders and fans benefit. Less riders missing from teams each week = more fans bothering to attend, hence better for fans and promoters. No fixture clashes allows doubling up riders to race in more meetings. Quite. There's also another factor, mentioned by an earlier poster (apologies for not going through the thread to name him or her) -- credibility. The more frequently sides can actually put out their declared line-up (injuries, naturally, notwithstanding) the better for the sport's standing with the non-afficionado (such as it is). Edit: Having checked, it was BWitcher himself who mentioned credibility earlier, so here I am pointing him in the direction of his own post Edited February 10, 2016 by Fourentee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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