orion Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) We will just have to beg to differ In other words you can't give any pl clubs that would be affected or any reasons why clubs would how find themselves in any more trouble than they would be now . Edited February 7, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I always preferred PL racing but that was purely down to the fact that i watched it week in, week out. The el should be leading by example though, its broadcast every week on sky and is the top league in the country. Its the main specticle of british speedway and at the moment its an absolute mess. The lower leagues are hardly thriving either, crowds in pl are way off break even on the whole. Sadly since poland have been paying big bucks riders no longer class the uk as a priority, poles never have but you go back to 15 years or so ago, all decent foreigners would come and ride in the pl, think it was only holta who never came. Now they dont want to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) In other words you can't give any pl clubs that would be affected or any reasons why clubs would how find themselves in any more trouble than they would be now . No what I am saying is there is a shortage of money within the sport ( I think we all agree on that one) and going to fixed race nights will not address that IMO and will destabilise the sport even more .As to Pl clubs( whose race nights seem suit there purpose but may well be struggling financially as well ) being effected I am under the impression that fixed nights is to help EL teams attract the"names " back to these shores .I am not an EL hater/ PL snob quite the contrary and accept that the sport needs a high level such as the EL but not at the expense of damaging the sport further .I repeat that these riders will ride any day of the week if the money is there as is proved with the GP lads dashing back to Poland on a Sunday afternoon . Edited February 8, 2016 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) No what I am saying is there is a shortage of money within the sport ( I think we all agree on that one) and going to fixed race nights will not address that IMO and will destabilise the sport even more .As to Pl clubs( whose race nights seem suit there purpose but may well be struggling financially as well ) being effected I am under the impression that fixed nights is to help EL teams attract the"names " back to these shores .I am not an EL hater/ PL snob quite the contrary and accept that the sport needs a high level such as the EL but not at the expense of damaging the sport further .I repeat that these riders will ride any day of the week if the money is there as is proved with the GP lads dashing back to Poland on a Sunday afternoon . First all I ask you what pl clubs would be effected by el clubs having a fixed race nights on Monday or a Wednesday ...I had a check as far as I can see there are none .The biggest problem fans have is riders missing matches having a fixed race nights at El gives more chance of both EL and Pl putting out there full 1 -7 . and at the same time if it brings back a few better riders then all well and good ....not sure how you can destabilise a sport that is nearly dead anyhow in the uk . Looks like they going to it next year anyhow and to me it can't come soon enough . Edited February 8, 2016 by orion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 No what I am saying is there is a shortage of money within the sport ( I think we all agree on that one) and going to fixed race nights will not address that IMO and will destabilise the sport even more .As to Pl clubs( whose race nights seem suit there purpose but may well be struggling financially as well ) being effected I am under the impression that fixed nights is to help EL teams attract the"names " back to these shores .I am not an EL hater/ PL snob quite the contrary and accept that the sport needs a high level such as the EL but not at the expense of damaging the sport further .I repeat that these riders will ride any day of the week if the money is there as is proved with the GP lads dashing back to Poland on a Sunday afternoon . As Orion is saying, fixed race nights helps in many ways. Firstly, it doesn't effect a single Premier League club. Secondly, it would mean that you wouldn't have riders missing because they were riding for another team in the same country. That helps massively for the Elite League AND also the Premier League. Increased credibility and less guests/RR which is better for fans. Thirdly, it is cheaper, you're not paying for foreign riders to fly in and out of the country a couple of times a week which can happen now. Fourthly, many sources, including riders themselves have said they would ride over here if the schedule was fixed. You keep claiming its about the money, partially correct, they would want a lot more money to ride in the current schedule due to the inconvenience it causes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 As Orion is saying, fixed race nights helps in many ways. Firstly, it doesn't effect a single Premier League club. Secondly, it would mean that you wouldn't have riders missing because they were riding for another team in the same country. That helps massively for the Elite League AND also the Premier League. Increased credibility and less guests/RR which is better for fans. Thirdly, it is cheaper, you're not paying for foreign riders to fly in and out of the country a couple of times a week which can happen now. Fourthly, many sources, including riders themselves have said they would ride over here if the schedule was fixed. You keep claiming its about the money, partially correct, they would want a lot more money to ride in the current schedule due to the inconvenience it causes. Don't see how that's right given that they are reportedly looking at Thursday & Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Don't see how that's right given that they are reportedly looking at Thursday & Friday. Well, I was assuming the promoters would have a modicum of common sense... which was I accept a little far fetched. If they run on Thursday and Friday it would be absolutely pointless, one of the most ill conceived ideas in speedway history and that's saying something. The days should be Monday and Wednesday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Well, I was assuming the promoters would have a modicum of common sense... which was I accept a little far fetched. If they run on Thursday and Friday it would be absolutely pointless, one of the most ill conceived ideas in speedway history and that's saying something. The days should be Monday and Wednesday. Isn't Monday Sweden ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Isn't Monday Sweden ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Isn't Monday Sweden ? Isn't Monday Sweden ?and the award for daft post of the year goes to???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Maybe not then. But as per usual you make a meal of it. Edited February 9, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Well, I was assuming the promoters would have a modicum of common sense... which was I accept a little far fetched. If they run on Thursday and Friday it would be absolutely pointless, one of the most ill conceived ideas in speedway history and that's saying something. The days should be Monday and Wednesday. Monday and Wednesday wouldn't be viable either. They'd have to fly to Britain twice in two days which riders won't do and even if they did want to promotions couldn't afford it. Tai has already said riders dont want to do GP Sat, Pol sun, GB Mon and Sweden Tue. Add to that another flight and meeting Wednesday? It should be a single day or consecutive two days. Edited February 9, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Not making a meal of it but 99% of fans are saying Monday for a race night for a reason, 99% of fans know that sky run elite league meetings on a Monday as the top boys will be there as Sweden and Poland don't race on Mondays. Can't get my head around why you wouldn't know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Monday and Wednesday wouldn't be viable either. They'd have to fly to Britain twice in two days which riders won't do and even if they did want to promotions couldn't afford it. Tai has already said riders dont want to do GP Sat, Pol sun, GB Mon and Sweden Tue. Add to that another flight and meeting Wednesday? It should be a single day or consecutive two days. Would have to be a Wednesday then. Not making a meal of it but 99% of fans are saying Monday for a race night for a reason, 99% of fans know that sky run elite league meetings on a Monday as the top boys will be there as Sweden and Poland don't race on Mondays. Can't get my head around why you wouldn't know that Because i thought Sweden was Monday. Is that ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 It would need to be two consecutive days as only once a week wouldn't give enough days to run the amount of fixtures we currently have. If a team dropped out or we only rode each team once then once a week might work. Also I could foresee Thursday becoming an issue for the GP lads as they would fairly soon come out with the excuse that they don't want Thursday then practice then GP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 The dates aren't meant to clash with the PL so I doubt Fridays are being considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) It'll be Wednesdays with Thursdays reserved for rain-offs!! Top riders can cope with the occasional Monday, if Sky continue with Monday meetings, but not every Monday as has been previously stated. Edited February 9, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 It would need to be two consecutive days as only once a week wouldn't give enough days to run the amount of fixtures we currently have. If a team dropped out or we only rode each team once then once a week might work. Also I could foresee Thursday becoming an issue for the GP lads as they would fairly soon come out with the excuse that they don't want Thursday then practice then GP. Spot on with your first two sentences but I doubt whether you would see many GP riders coming, apart from those that are here anyway. You might get enough to get Kings Lynn and Leicester up to a reasonably competitive level which is something I suppose but I would be surprised if you would get enough to make any significant difference to the overall level of competition. Even non GP riders of the level of Peter Ljung, Jonas Davidsson and Timo Lahti for example are not interested, and certainly not Miedzinski. Plenty of them are interested for a bit of extra cash before the Polish season starts, and if their Polish clubs go out of the play-offs but very few want to commit to a whole season apart from those that are already here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Spot on with your first two sentences but I doubt whether you would see many GP riders coming, apart from those that are here anyway. You might get enough to get Kings Lynn and Leicester up to a reasonably competitive level which is something I suppose but I would be surprised if you would get enough to make any significant difference to the overall level of competition. Even non GP riders of the level of Peter Ljung, Jonas Davidsson and Timo Lahti for example are not interested, and certainly not Miedzinski. Plenty of them are interested for a bit of extra cash before the Polish season starts, and if their Polish clubs go out of the play-offs but very few want to commit to a whole season apart from those that are already here. So it's sounds well worth messing about with fixed race nights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) Spot on with your first two sentences but I doubt whether you would see many GP riders coming, apart from those that are here anyway. You might get enough to get Kings Lynn and Leicester up to a reasonably competitive level which is something I suppose but I would be surprised if you would get enough to make any significant difference to the overall level of competition. Even non GP riders of the level of Peter Ljung, Jonas Davidsson and Timo Lahti for example are not interested, and certainly not Miedzinski. Plenty of them are interested for a bit of extra cash before the Polish season starts, and if their Polish clubs go out of the play-offs but very few want to commit to a whole season apart from those that are already here. Based on what ? who knows how many would ride again on a fixed race night ...it's impossible to judge ....the main thing is to get riders to miss less meetings, what fans say in there biggest problem at the moment ...if better riders come then it's a bonus . Edited February 9, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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