dabbsjoe Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 everything seems to be pointing to one of the remaining 2 being Thorsell. I can kind of understand not picking Wells if he was on the heat leader list. if PK wasn't on the list I don't understand not picking him unless he isn't keen on riding over here then fair enough. but looking at last season all of those 3 spent time at second string and at heat leader. fair to say all 3 of them didn't make any impression at heat leader but Thorsell looked worse out of the 3 there. at second string however PK and Wells were top scorers for us pretty much every meeting until they moved into heat leader positons, Thorsell however when moved to second string didn't put up the kind of scores the other 2 had managed at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wells isn't on the list it seems though from what the reports from the talk in say. Thorsell whilst not necessarily a bad signing would not be a 'gobsmacking one'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wells isn't on the list it seems though from what the reports from the talk in say. Thorsell whilst not necessarily a bad signing would not be a 'gobsmacking one'. Wells presumably is on the list as second string along with PK. Both part of the back up plan. I'd assumed Wells couldn't double up due the limit on years doubling up which CVS said was set in stone, but would be be broken when there aren't enough riders to go round. More stumbling along as you go it seems at the top table! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 What exactly are you expecting them to pull out of the bag? It's been confirmed that Lindgren, Bech and Kylmakorpi are from the infamous heat leader list.. thus there is no better rider coming in, or they'd be on that list too. There is a rider who'd be brilliant as a second string signing, but we've decided we don't want him. The best we can hope for is something like Masters and Thorssell. Essentially if Lindgren doesn't return to being a 8.5-9pt man we'll be also rans. At least they are trying something different but it doesn't mean it will be any better. Hopefully it will.. but compared to a team like Belle Vue, we look weak. Selfish i know but after all the years of being the team picked to win the wooden spoon the last sentence of your post makes me feel so good . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansen4wolves08 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Surely PK and Wells have got to be signed if neither are on the lists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wells presumably is on the list as second string along with PK. Both part of the back up plan. I'd assumed Wells couldn't double up due the limit on years doubling up which CVS said was set in stone, but would be be broken when there aren't enough riders to go round. More stumbling along as you go it seems at the top table! I mean the Heat Leader list. Quite how neither of them are on it is one thing... but the very fact we then don't consider them is another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Speedway promoters are often accused of having their heads in the sand. CVS don't insult our intelligence by telling us crowds aren't dwindling You don't need to be an accountant you just need eyes. Look at the half full terraces,look at the empty spaces on the car park, It speaks for itself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Speedway promoters are often accused of having their heads in the sand. CVS don't insult our intelligence by telling us crowds aren't dwindling You don't need to be an accountant you just need eyes. Look at the half full terraces,look at the empty spaces on the car park, It speaks for itself. The books say otherwise, which is possibly true given the levels of cost cutting taking place. Remember, the current heat formula cuts costs massively as the higher paid riders (heat leaders) score a lot less.. particularly in Wolves case last year with Lindgren! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Surely PK and Wells have got to be signed if neither are on the lists I got the impression neither will be considered as things stand. To be honest, if PK is not that keen to come back to Britain next year then I don't see them pushing to change his mind. They got stung with Woffinden in 2014 and I doubt they'll leave themselves open again. Speedway promoters are often accused of having their heads in the sand. CVS don't insult our intelligence by telling us crowds aren't dwindling You don't need to be an accountant you just need eyes. Look at the half full terraces,look at the empty spaces on the car park, It speaks for itself. It was Porky who made the point about dwindling crowds, at which point CVS shot him down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) I mean the Heat Leader list. Quite how neither of them are on it is one thing... but the very fact we then don't consider them is another! Wells to me was always 50/50 re making the list. PK to me is a clear heat leader! It was Porky who made the point about dwindling crowds, at which point CVS shot him down.I thought someone asked the question about the future with Cradley crowds solid and wolves crowds down?To be honest the question of crowds down = losing money maybe subjective due to reduced costs the past 2 seasons. It might have been better to ask that if they feel wolves crowds are holding or are down and for what reasons do they suggest. It's abundantly clear from standing on the terraces that crowd levels are down and decreased towards the end of the season. Edited November 25, 2015 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wells to me was always 50/50 re making the list. PK to me is a clear heat leader! I thought someone asked the question about the future with Cradley crowds solid and wolves crowds down? To be honest the question of crowds down = losing money maybe subjective due to reduced costs the past 2 seasons. It might have been better to ask that if they feel wolves crowds are holding or are down and for what reasons do they suggest. It's abundantly clear from standing on the terraces that crowd levels are down and decreased towards the end of the season. Pretty sure it was Porky who commented on dropping crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Pretty sure it was Porky who commented on dropping crowds. And he can clearly see from where he is positioned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Wells to me was always 50/50 re making the list. PK to me is a clear heat leader! I thought someone asked the question about the future with Cradley crowds solid and wolves crowds down? To be honest the question of crowds down = losing money maybe subjective due to reduced costs the past 2 seasons. It might have been better to ask that if they feel wolves crowds are holding or are down and for what reasons do they suggest. It's abundantly clear from standing on the terraces that crowd levels are down and decreased towards the end of the season. I think the PK situation IMO ( no proof what so ever ) is that he won't come for the terms being offered but if the the wheels fall off then they will make it worth his while ,just got to be careful that no one else "comes a calling ".I think he is worth the risk myself and IMO we will see him in the league this season whether it is in yellow and black your guess is as good as mine . Edited November 26, 2015 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Why would Masters be a concern ? He rode well in the Olympique and put in a good performance in the Aussie GP Theo Pjiper did that once and was a flop but at least he kept calm So PK is not a heat leader. They've well and truly lost the plot. Read between the lines and you could see the possible answer. PK not in the main plans but also not sure if he wants to return BUT maybe used if they get stuck. That sounds like he doesn't want to ride here but will be available if needed and not looking for another team place. Admission prices are up last season and heat leader is no longer getting 13 points so less to pay out may make the books look good but crowds were clearly down on a number of matches and I think the concern was if Cradley are doing well, where are the clubs heading if Cradley want to move up and Wolves struggle to get fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I think the PK situation IMO ( no poof what so ever ) is that he won't come for the terms being offered but if the the wheels fall off then they will make it worth his while ,just got to be careful that no one else "comes a calling ".I think he is worth the risk myself and IMO we will see him in the league this season whether it is in yellow and black your guess is as good as mine . That's a bit sexist isn't it?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I think the PK situation IMO ( no poof what so ever ) is that he won't come for the terms being offered but if the the wheels fall off then they will make it worth his while ,just got to be careful that no one else "comes a calling ".I think he is worth the risk myself and IMO we will see him in the league this season whether it is in yellow and black your guess is as good as mine . That's the best dropped R I've ever seen FG Wonderful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Pretty sure it was Porky who commented on dropping crowds. If he did what an ill thought thing to say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) That's the best dropped R I've ever seen FG Wonderful. least it brought a smile to a few faces !!! Theo Pjiper did that once and was a flop but at least he kept calm Read between the lines and you could see the possible answer. PK not in the main plans but also not sure if he wants to return BUT maybe used if they get stuck. That sounds like he doesn't want to ride here but will be available if needed and not looking for another team place. Admission prices are up last season and heat leader is no longer getting 13 points so less to pay out may make the books look good but crowds were clearly down on a number of matches and I think the concern was if Cradley are doing well, where are the clubs heading if Cradley want to move up and Wolves struggle to get fans I thought you had to read between the lines on here all the time still think someone will make an offer that will rekindle his interest in coming over if he is deemed a s/string but accept that he may be winding down his career . Edited November 26, 2015 by FAST GATER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 the crowd level is about right for the product on show unfortunately 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 That's a bit sexist isn't it?! Homophobic more like 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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