Tommy Sweetman Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Superguest has it when he says 'Double headers' , post #636. But was he thinking the same as me? - 2 Wolves matches ? . . . . or a Wolves followed by a Cradley match. Surely that's the solution to rain-offs. And think of the gate, . . . Not 2 sets of riders pay from one match gate, but 2 lots of fans and double the gate ! Think Superguest is a she ?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Surely the plan may be for fortnightly EL meetings but once u have a rain off or two it will go to weekly. EL will always come first too surely .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolfhound Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Those mathematicians amongst you are right, there aren't enough dates to fit in both Wolves and Cradley fixtures BUT you are all forgetting that the answer could be... double-headers! They could be arranged during the Summer months when the weather is likely to be good and that would free up dates for any rain-offs to be rescheduled! The big question which follows that line of thought is... what happens if double-headers are rained off? I will leave that to those with more interlect than myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Could either the EL or NL not race on a different night on the odd occasion, only need to do this for a couple of meetings unless there are lots of rain offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Those mathematicians amongst you are right, there aren't enough dates to fit in both Wolves and Cradley fixtures BUT you are all forgetting that the answer could be... double-headers! The problem with double headers is cost. CVS isn't going to want to run Wolves/Wolves double-headers which would make him a huge loss. It would be financially better not to have Cradley there at all. To run a mixed Wolves/Cradley double header would involve the expense of having 4 teams there rather than 3. And also what admission do you charge? £18 for EL and £10 for NL may have to become £23 for both....Would Wolves fans be happy paying extra for a match they don't want? Would Cradley fans be happy paying in excess of EL rates to see a NL match? A Cradley/Cradley double header would seem most viable....but then what if a double-header gets rained off? Surely the only way the arrangement can work is if an alternate racenight is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Those mathematicians amongst you are right, there aren't enough dates to fit in both Wolves and Cradley fixtures BUT you are all forgetting that the answer could be... double-headers![/size] They could be arranged during the Summer months when the weather is likely to be good and that would free up dates for any rain-offs to be rescheduled![/size] The big question which follows that line of thought is... what happens if double-headers are rained off?[/size] I will leave that to those with more interlect than myself![/size] Problem with double-headers,CVS says he always loses money when they have to use that facility. Think Tuesday,s would be a better option,dont think Ladbrokes would mind to much for the odd one being staged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 The problem with double headers is cost. CVS isn't going to want to run Wolves/Wolves double-headers which would make him a huge loss. It would be financially better not to have Cradley there at all. To run a mixed Wolves/Cradley double header would involve the expense of having 4 teams there rather than 3. And also what admission do you charge? £18 for EL and £10 for NL may have to become £23 for both....Would Wolves fans be happy paying extra for a match they don't want? Would Cradley fans be happy paying in excess of EL rates to see a NL match? A Cradley/Cradley double header would seem most viable....but then what if a double-header gets rained off? Surely the only way the arrangement can work is if an alternate racenight is available. The only viable double header is Wolves and Cradley. There is no need at all to increase the price to £23. The issue with normal double headers is you have one fan base, in this case you don't. You have two, entirely separate fan bases. Leave the admission at £18, no Wolves fans are lost then... the majority of Cradley fans would still go, they're not that bright. You're then making an extra £8 on them.. that compensates for any that opt out. Factor in only one set of costs for stadium hire and other operational facilities and they're onto quite an earner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Those mathematicians amongst you are right, there aren't enough dates to fit in both Wolves and Cradley fixtures BUT you are all forgetting that the answer could be... double-headers! They could be arranged during the Summer months when the weather is likely to be good and that would free up dates for any rain-offs to be rescheduled! The big question which follows that line of thought is... what happens if double-headers are rained off? I will leave that to those with more interlect than myself! Anything but double headers please. Who wants to watch a 2nd match every week when the track is as slick as a board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Could either the EL or NL not race on a different night on the odd occasion, only need to do this for a couple of meetings unless there are lots of rain offs. If any teams need to run on off nights it's Cradley. Hopefully Ladbrokes are OK with speedway on alternative nights and CVS isn't putting the security of Wolves speedway at risk to save Cradley. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 The only viable double header is Wolves and Cradley. There is no need at all to increase the price to £23. The issue with normal double headers is you have one fan base, in this case you don't. You have two, entirely separate fan bases. Leave the admission at £18, no Wolves fans are lost then... the majority of Cradley fans would still go, they're not that bright. You're then making an extra £8 on them.. that compensates for any that opt out. Factor in only one set of costs for stadium hire and other operational facilities and they're onto quite an earner. Actually, thats a pretty good point and good be a good money spinner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 The only viable double header is Wolves and Cradley. There is no need at all to increase the price to £23. The issue with normal double headers is you have one fan base, in this case you don't. You have two, entirely separate fan bases. Leave the admission at £18, no Wolves fans are lost then... the majority of Cradley fans would still go, they're not that bright. You're then making an extra £8 on them.. that compensates for any that opt out. Factor in only one set of costs for stadium hire and other operational facilities and they're onto quite an earner. and for the interval we can all have a good punch up between wolves and cradley fans on the centre green. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 If any teams need to run on off nights it's Cradley. Hopefully Ladbrokes are OK with speedway on alternative nights and CVS isn't putting the security of Wolves speedway at risk to save Cradley. Or Wolves would change if sky wanted them to as they seem to dictate to the bspa what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 UNDERSTAND that Tuesdays will be an option for rain-offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Or Wolves would change if sky wanted them to as they seem to dictate to the bspa what happens. Naturally as other teams have done. With Monday being the predominant speedway night on SKY there is little chance SKY would need us to change a home meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainman Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 UNDERSTAND that Tuesdays will be an option for rain-offsDoesn't Sweden run on a Tuesday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Cradley would be able to run on Tuesdays if and when necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Doesn't Sweden run on a Tuesday ? Wolves shouldn't need a Tuesday spare date. If there are fixtures issues Cradley should use any spare Tuesdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 UNDERSTAND that Tuesdays will be an option for rain-offs That would make sense. If Cradley get a rain off just rearrange for a following Tuesday the day after a Wolves match If Wolves get a rain-off rearrange for a Cradley Monday and push that week's Cradley match back to the Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Of course Tuesdays will be available (on occasions) and you will find the British Final elsewhere in 2016. Van Straaten will do right by Wolverhampton and Cradley will have to slot in around the main tenants - simple. Their Golden Hammer will probably be in SWC week when Wolves don't run. There's no way CVS and Ladbrokes would have agreed to this if it wasn't possible so where's the problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Wolves have 14 meetings to fit in before Mid September essentially. 1 March 2 April 3 May 2 June 2 July 3 Aug 1 September Leaves 14 Mondays exactly. If all NL teams stay put with IOW and Belle Vue join that's 11 NL fixtures, + 1-4 in KO Cup. Mid Sept on is open for Play Offs, a Heathens cup, play offs and Olympique. The issue will be rain offs as it seems, at a squeeze, enough Mondays just about exist. Given that Sweden runs on Tuesdays obviously Heathens would be the team to move to Tuesdays when the rain hits. Lynn and Coventry do two teams already. With Vue and Cradley joining NL that's half of the EL clubs with a B team. The Monmore situation is somewhat complicated with the awkward marriage of rival fan bases sharing a track but given the current state of the sport and apathy (or inability of promoters to sell) no league events we probably have the best possible solution right now for stadium usage. The awkward part might be when a casual fan shows up on a random Monday expecting to see Wolves and its the spoons. But this year this no doubt happened on a blank night. Given that Monday was always our race night and Cradley had Tuesdays, I think the shared race night (at the request of the landlord) does feel a bit awkward and uncomfortable. Imagine if a random turns up expecting to see Cradley and wolves are riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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