BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 anything on the 2016 team ? Not going to be until the AGM is done.. then speculation can begin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) You keep grouping Poland and Sweden together. I've been telling you they're different countries, different equipment, different backup teams/mechanics etc. The claim he was dominant at Wolves when not in Wolves colors has already been disproved, he wasn't. Ben Barker and Craig Cook outscored him. The claim he was dominant at Kings Lynn when not in Wolves colours has been disproved as he rode pretty well at Lynn, only Iversen getting the better of him bar a fall and a retirement. He scored 5 and 6 at kl as a world champion .so its not pretty well ..so not disproved at all . And nor is it at Wolves as he won the title . Edited October 16, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 He scored 5 and 6 at kl as a world champion .so its not pretty well ..so not disproved at all . And nor is it at Wolves as he won the title . Showing your ignorance yet again. I have shown you his races at Kings Lynn, he was beaten 3 times v Iversen in meeting 1 and had a fall after colliding with Schlein in his other ride. No disgrace in that performance.. it also puts to bed your theory of 'not trying' as he's not going to be crashing whilst battling for the lead if he wasn't trying. In the other meeting he won his first two, was involved in a blanket finish in his 3rd when trying to team ride a slower partner, and retired in his 4th.. so again, no evidence there to back up your claim. The British Final, against a field of predominantly second strings and reserves he was outscored by Ben Barker and Craig Cook. So he won the final? Against riders far easier than he would be racing in regular league matches.. so again, no evidence to back up your claim again. Of course you'll continue to ignore what actually happened and create your own scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 If anyone knew the reason it could have been fixed, that's the whole point! It might have helped if he continued bringing over the engine he used in the British final, because after taking 2 rides to sort the set up he looked much quicker than he did all season long on his normal UK set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 It might have helped if he continued bringing over the engine he used in the British final, because after taking 2 rides to sort the set up he looked much quicker than he did all season long on his normal UK set up. Ah yes, that fabled engine that he lost to Jason Garrity on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Ah yes, that fabled engine that he lost to Jason Garrity on. Yes that engine he went unbeaten on after 1 ride, best ignore that tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) He scored 5 and 6 at kl as a world champion .so its not pretty well ..so not disproved at all . And nor is it at Wolves as he won the title . Incidentally, thought I'd check this great performance you referred to at Kings Lynn in the World Cup.. 1st race.. Woffinden is beaten by Troy Batchelor and Gino Manzares!!! 2nd race he beats Max Ruml, Cameron Woodward and Vicentin who fell 3rd race he beats Doyle, Wells and Castagna 4th race he loses to Hancock, beats Ward who had bike problems. 5th race beats Batchelor, Castagna and Ruml. So reality is he beat Doyle and Batchelor of any consequence.. whilst also losing to Batchelor and Manzares! So nope.. not the best of performances there either. Yes that engine he went unbeaten on after 1 ride, best ignore that tho. He didn't, but carry on making things up if you wish. As for him being 'so much faster' in the British Final... his time in winning Heat 2 was 53.98.. next Wolves home meet he won Heat 1 in 54.07, so pretty much the same. Scored 13 that night, 4 wins and a 3rd against a tough Kings Lynn team. Week after that? Paid 15pt maximum against Swindon. Simple fact is, he wasn't getting out of the starts at all well on a consistent basis that season. Edited October 16, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 He didn't, but carry on making things up if you wish. Simple fact is, he wasn't getting out of the starts at all well on a consistent basis that season. Making up what things? 6 rides (including the final) 5 wins. http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/14578/british-final-wolves-15-2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Making up what things? 6 rides (including the final) 5 wins. http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/14578/british-final-wolves-15-2015 Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Making up what things? 6 rides (including the final) 5 wins. http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/14578/british-final-wolves-15-2015 That is 2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 On the official site Mr Adams is talking about significant changes at Wolves over the Winter. Looks like they will be re siting the burger van then Wolfie 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 On the official site Mr Adams is talking about significant changes at Wolves over the Winter. Looks like they will be re siting the burger van then Wolfie shorter distance for Adams to walk to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 On the official site Mr Adams is talking about significant changes at Wolves over the Winter. Looks like they will be re siting the burger van then Wolfie Let's hope they don't do something silly like let Lindgren go now he is on an attractive average. It's all going to depend upon what comes out of the AGM. A bigger league would suit us best and we'd be able to put together a very competitive team from existing assets, poss adding a new signing or two. If it stays as it is, as we all know, a no 1 is required from somewhere.. but that could be difficult. I do have a degree of sympathy for the Wolves management. They have always liked to operate with a core base at the top.. in years gone by it was Sam/Ronnie, Sam/PK, PK/Mikael, Freddie/PK, Tai/Freddie etc.. in any other era they would have been set fair for years to come with Tai and Piotr... sadly times have changed and that's not to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Try again. Apologies, that was 2015. 4 of 6 wins, still a way better percentage riding for wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Apologies, that was 2015. 4 of 6 wins, still a way better percentage riding for wolves. No it isn't when you factor in the quality of opponent. You don't seem to grasp, the British Final is a far lower standard than an EL meeting. You're trying to claim Woffy was in 'GP form' for this meeting.. if he was, nobody would have touched him. You're arguing against yourself on this topic anyway Steve and it would be highly embarrassing for you if I had to start quoting you. You see, I've read through the updates from 2014 and meeting after meeting there are quotes from you of battles that Woffinden had been in, overtaking people, trying to team ride, being in good races. These are not things that take place when a rider isn't trying. What it depicts is a rider who should be scoring more than he is, but not through lack of effort, which is what has been suggested on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 On the official site Mr Adams is talking about significant changes at Wolves over the Winter. Looks like they will be re siting the burger van then Wolfie Unfortunately none of them include himself. Why is it every time someone mentions a burger van my mind immediately springs to Joe Screen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 No it isn't when you factor in the quality of opponent. You don't seem to grasp, the British Final is a far lower standard than an EL meeting. You're trying to claim Woffy was in 'GP form' for this meeting.. if he was, nobody would have touched him. And the El is a lower standard than Sweden and Poland ...and you go on about others making there own spin ..the irony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 So Tai hasn't given racing in the BEL any thought at all, oh well ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 To be honest BW, Jacko, he dosen't get the credit he deserves He does in some quarters: This is January 2009 which turned out to be quite a year for Wolves. http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2009/01/13/freddie-has-ace-up-his-sleeve/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 And the El is a lower standard than Sweden and Poland ...and you go on about others making there own spin ..the irony The EL and the British Finals are contested on the same track, so can be compared. Sweden and Poland, as has been explained to you numerous times, is completely different. I don't need to make spin, I leave that to you to try and prove something ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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