BWitcher Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Spot on Steve ..I think nearly everyone see's it that way No they don't, only those without a clue. Again, you haven't answered any question put to you, just repeating yourself ad nauseam... WHY would Woffinden willingly choose to ride inferior equipment thus increasing his chance of injury, reducing his earning, reducing his popularity with his fans whom he hopes will donate towards the charity he is promoting. There is zero logic behind your claims at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Totally different setups and importantly backup teams. You think if Jacko was in the UK he'd have been struggling? He struggled early on throughout Europe tho. If was only EL that suffered. Makes you wonder why Jacko wasn't in his crew tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) No they don't, only those without a clue. Again, you haven't answered any question put to you, just repeating yourself ad nauseam... WHY would Woffinden willingly choose to ride inferior equipment thus increasing his chance of injury, reducing his earning, reducing his popularity with his fans whom he hopes will donate towards the charity he is promoting. There is zero logic behind your claims at all. I gave the answer 4 times ...first of all there have tons of riders who not tried before it's nothing new if you used your logic there would be none ever ...in Woffy case he over did things stretch himself to far and choose put least effort with his bikes attitude back up team etc in the uk ... Edited October 13, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Where is my evidence?? Really? why did he make the point he was bringing his best engine for the British final if his English equipment was as good? That in itself speaks volumes. Maybe for the same reason that Freddie Lindgren said he was bringing his best engine to guest for Coventry in the Play off semis when he clearly didn't. Tal doesn't have a "best" best engine. H e said when interviewed at the last GP that he had different engines for different tracks, and had used about five engines in the GP's according to which track he was racing on. More poor examples ...AJ is from Sweden so expect him to do better in his homeland .. AJ has had his base in Poland for years. Both his main mechanics are Polish and his main workshop is in Poland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Maybe for the same reason that Freddie Lindgren said he was bringing his best engine to guest for Coventry in the Play off semis when he clearly didn't. Tal doesn't have a "best" best engine. H e said when interviewed at the last GP that he had different engines for different tracks, and had used about five engines in the GP's according to which track he was racing on. Freddie didn't say it, Coventry did. Suddenly the engines so used to being used in the EL and getting results suddenly don't work or set ups forgotten/ignored?? He didn't once mention bringing his best engine for the previous British Finals because his preferred EL set ups and engines were strong enough prior to 2014. Something wasn't working in the EL, hence why he brought over one that worked for the final. That engine worked well, so why didn't we see it for other league matches for Wolves? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Maybe for the same reason that Freddie Lindgren said he was bringing his best engine to guest for Coventry in the Play off semis when he clearly didn't. Tal doesn't have a "best" best engine. H e said when interviewed at the last GP that he had different engines for different tracks, and had used about five engines in the GP's according to which track he was racing on. AJ has had his base in Poland for years. Both his main mechanics are Polish and his main workshop is in Poland. Not what Tai said before the british final he clearly said he was bringing his best Engine with him ..so Tai in own eyes he indeed has a best engine . Edited October 13, 2015 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Freddie didn't say it, Coventry did. Suddenly the engines so used to being used in the EL and getting results suddenly don't work or set ups forgotten/ignored?? He didn't once mention bringing his best engine for the previous British Finals because his preferred EL set ups and engines were strong enough prior to 2014. Something wasn't working in the EL, hence why he brought over one that worked for the final. That engine worked well, so why didn't we see it for other league matches for Wolves? That is precisely what happened, Tai alluded to it many times, he was using the exact same setup as the year before and it wasn't working and he couldn't figure out why. Then you start making changes and go backwards. I gave the answer 4 times ...first of all there have tons of riders who not tried before it's nothing new if you used your logic there would be none ever ...in Woffy case he over did things stretch himself to far and choose put least effort with his bikes attitude back up team etc in the uk ... You haven't given the answer. His main priority was the World Championship.. to win that you need to stay fit. So WHY would he CHOOSE to ride slower equipment meaning he was racing side by side with inferior riders.. when according to you if he'd have put a bit of effort in he could have been well ahead of them and much safer.. Not only much safer, but earning much more money too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 That is precisely what happened, Tai alluded to it many times, he was using the exact same setup as the year before and it wasn't working and he couldn't figure out why. Then you start making changes and go backwards. You haven't given the answer. His main priority was the World Championship.. to win that you need to stay fit. So WHY would he CHOOSE to ride slower equipment meaning he was racing side by side with inferior riders.. when according to you if he'd have put a bit of effort in he could have been well ahead of them and much safer.. Not only much safer, but earning much more money too. Yet he brings over an engine that he gets dialed in within 2 heats of the British so he had something that worked perfectly. Never to be seen in the EL again. That's what doesn't add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Yet he brings over an engine that he gets dialed in within 2 heats of the British so he had something that worked perfectly. Never to be seen in the EL again. That's what doesn't add up. So you keep telling us.. But hey, lets look at the scores from that meeting, and we see Craig Cook and Ben Barker on 13.. with Woffinden on 12. So nope, hardly set the world alight in that meet either did he? In his first race, Danny King slid on on 1st bend and was excluded. Re-run, Tai beat Simon Stead and Charles Wright. In his second he led, before being relegated to last place, finally managing to pass Steve Boxall.. impressive. 2nd was Harris, 1st Richie Worrall He gated and won his 3rd against Barker, Nicholls and Bridger before being beaten by Jason Garrity in his 4th ride. He then won his 5th ahead of Craig Cook, Leigh Lanham and Lewis Blackbird. So the British Final is hardly a shining example of a sudden upturn in form in the UK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 That is precisely what happened, Tai alluded to it many times, he was using the exact same setup as the year before and it wasn't working and he couldn't figure out why. Then you start making changes and go backwards. You haven't given the answer. His main priority was the World Championship.. to win that you need to stay fit. So WHY would he CHOOSE to ride slower equipment meaning he was racing side by side with inferior riders.. when according to you if he'd have put a bit of effort in he could have been well ahead of them and much safer.. Not only much safer, but earning much more money too. I have give you the answer you choose not to accept it ...one that most people agree with unlike your silly logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I have give you the answer you choose not to accept it ...one that most people agree with unlike your silly logic You haven't given an answer at all. You've just repeated ad nauseam that the World Champion decided to sign a contract to race in England, then not bother to put any effort in at all. You've not given one valid reason as to why he would think it was a good idea to race on inferior equipment, putting himself in more danger and to earn less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 So you keep telling us.. But hey, lets look at the scores from that meeting, and we see Craig Cook and Ben Barker on 13.. with Woffinden on 12. So nope, hardly set the world alight in that meet either did he? In his first race, Danny King slid on on 1st bend and was excluded. Re-run, Tai beat Simon Stead and Charles Wright. In his second he led, before being relegated to last place, finally managing to pass Steve Boxall.. impressive. 2nd was Harris, 1st Richie Worrall He gated and won his 3rd against Barker, Nicholls and Bridger before being beaten by Jason Garrity in his 4th ride. He then won his 5th ahead of Craig Cook, Leigh Lanham and Lewis Blackbird. So the British Final is hardly a shining example of a sudden upturn in form in the UK... He was much quicker which was sadly lacking in a wolves jacket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Neil Evitts was never at reserve, that was the main problem he had that year.. another year he'd have dropped to reserve and likely got going again. Totally different setups and importantly backup teams. You think if Jacko was in the UK he'd have been struggling? To be honest BW, Jacko, he dosen't get the credit he deserves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 I'm loving the comedy on this thread from the mechanical experts on top standard speedway equipment! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Thought this thread is WOLVERHAMPTON 2016 not Woffinden 2014 Get over it for Christ sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Thought this thread is WOLVERHAMPTON 2016 not Woffinden 2014 Get over it for Christ sake True think were all waiting for the AGM them the debates and permutations on the team of 2016 will really start Edited October 14, 2015 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbsjoe Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 I'm loving the comedy on this thread from the mechanical experts on top standard speedway equipment! popcorn ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 To be honest BW, Jacko, he dosen't get the credit he deserves Spot on, its no co-incidence that when Lindgren was topping the averages in the UK, he was working with Jacko. Thought this thread is WOLVERHAMPTON 2016 not Woffinden 2014 Get over it for Christ sake It's a debate.. about speedway.. some folk would rather see dead threads all over the forum! Have you checked Neil Evitts reserve rides out yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Spot on, its no co-incidence that when Lindgren was topping the averages in the UK, he was working with Jacko. It's a debate.. about speedway.. some folk would rather see dead threads all over the forum! Have you checked Neil Evitts reserve rides out yet Yep & you are spot on to regarding Jacko was in Lindgren camp. Tai as the shrewd Pete Adams to thank for taking Jacko on board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 He was much quicker which was sadly lacking in a wolves jacket. Was he? Scored less than Cook and Barker.. about the level he operated at all year in the UK with the odd exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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