E I Addio Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 However, any opinion that he is as good as Zagar is nonsense. Really ? (3, 3, 2, 3 in case you missed it !) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) arrrghhh!! When will Lady Luck cut us some slack? If, as I'm told every year the luck evens itself out then over the next one or three matches we're going to be the luckiest team going. I'm not talking about the referee either we known they are going to favour the opposition, thats a given. The Robins fall then get a better result in the re run and then the heavens open before our last hurrah, so a 20 point lead becomes 14. Well done to The Aces on a thoroughly deserved victory and well done to Charles. They often come back to haunt us but we'll keep churning these lads out for the good of British speedway. Top scorer, a fine effort lad. I see Maths isn't your strong point (14+4=18 not 20)!! And Troy was top scorer with 8, Charles had 7! Edited September 14, 2015 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Really ? (3, 3, 2, 3 in case you missed it !) Zagar would have went 3,3,3,3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Zagar would have went 3,3,3,3 Can you tell me this week's lottery numbers please? But he might have gone 0,1,1,0? Who knows as he didn't ride! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Poor meeting, let's hope Friday is better But a great 'occasion'...... As many have said before, a big crowd can make an 'occasion' even if the racing is poor.... I can guarantee that any 'first timers' or 'occasional' visitors would be back 'if' we get to the final, given we had that vital ingredient that is sadly missing from most speedway meetings..., ie 'Atmosphere'... Well done the Aces, great to watch the sky programme on the big screen too... (And great to see Rosco keeping up his very high 'screen time average')...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 No Rockin Robins tonight then. They were fortunate to lose by only 14. Two of their heat wins were the result of rollers and heat 15 would probably have increased the Aces lead. An enjoyable match because of the occasion but the threat of rain resulted in a track that didn't produce the usual racing lines and denied Cook his usual blasts around the outside. Hopefully, 14 is going to be enough but I am certainly not counting any chickens. Swindon could do a similar job on us next week although I think Mark Lemon is more sensible than his opposite number and will have his team fired up, unlike Rosco who managed to fire up the Aces with his ridiculous comments about Zagar. Really ? (3, 3, 2, 3 in case you missed it !) A good impressive performance by Andreas but Zagar is the better rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 How are Swindon lucky, they have admittedly been shocking, but lucky? Only an idiot would think that.Probably referring to the fact that there was a good possibility that the Aces would have increased their advantage in heat 15? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Any idea who would have choice of the gates gates in Ht15? Gates 1 and 3 - 6 winners and 36 pts, gates 2 and 4 - 8 winners and 48 points after heat 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Not a great meeting at all but the result gives us a good chance, pity we were denied heat 15 as i think we could have increased that lead. Theres no doubt Swindon will be far better next week and could turn this around, Belle Vue are going to have to be solid all the way through the order next week as no doubt the Robins are going to come flying out of the blocks right from the off and 14 points can quickly be whittled away. If we cant defend a 14 point lead we dont deserve to progress. Edited September 14, 2015 by bellevueace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Any idea who would have choice of the gates gates in Ht15? Gates 1 and 3 - 6 winners and 36 pts, gates 2 and 4 - 8 winners and 48 points after heat 14. Belle vue had the gate choice in 15.Not a great meeting at all but the result gives us a good chance, pity we were denied heat 15 as i think we could have increased that lead. Theres no doubt Swindon will be far better next week and could turn this around, Belle Vue are going to have to be solid all the way through the order next week as no doubt the Robins are going to come flying out of the blocks right from the off and 14 points can quickly be whittled away. If we cant defend a 14 point lead we dont deserve to progress. As an Aces fan you couldn't have gone if you didn't think it was great, as at the track it was buzzing and a great night. Edited September 14, 2015 by SUPERACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Probably referring to the fact that there was a good possibility that the Aces would have increased their advantage in heat 15? Apart from that they wern't too lucky with all their heat leaders falling and Kildermand twice and heat 14 Morris gates in the original running then misses out in the re-run, could of easily been a 5-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Apart from that they wern't too lucky with all their heat leaders falling and Kildermand twice and heat 14 Morris gates in the original running then misses out in the re-run, could of easily been a 5-1. On the Swindon falls Aces were on 3 clear 5-1s and Re runs were 2x5-1 and 1x4-2 so Aces lost out. On Worrall exclusion we were on a 4-2 that became a 3-3 Aces lost out. On heat 14 it was a Swindon 4-2 on the fall and re-run was 4-2 swindon so same result. The Aces lost 4 points in those heats plus heat 15 with the gate choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Apart from that they wern't too lucky with all their heat leaders falling and Kildermand twice and heat 14 Morris gates in the original running then misses out in the re-run, could of easily been a 5-1. It's not luck if you can't stay on your bike! Next you'll be saying it's unlucky that a rider finished in front of someone! It's skill, or lack of that causes riders to fall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Apart from that they wern't too lucky with all their heat leaders falling and Kildermand twice and heat 14 Morris gates in the original running then misses out in the re-run, could of easily been a 5-1. They were lucky that heat 15 wasn't run and to get two wins from rollers. Riders falling was to an extent evened out by Nicholls fall when second and Worrall's exclusion as he passed Wright. Edited September 14, 2015 by Aces51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Lots of Ifs and Buts, but at the end of the day, the Aces hold a valuable lead and are deserved favourites for the aggregate win. I never understood why the Robins chose to ride away first, but then again, it's all about opinions. Let's hope Monday has some proper racing as tonight was boring and made worse by the Robins ineptitude and inability to compete (I apologise to those who attended and created an apparently superb atmosphere, well done all of you). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Having had a read through the thread now I'm back home it comes as no surprise that the consensus is that Swindon were lucky to only lose by 14. Obviously Swindon had a bit of misfortune as well but each time they had a bit of bad luck it made no difference or actually helped! First of all the track was the slickest I've ever seen it, any home advantage gone before we started but we were simply too good from the gate. I've been watching Belle Vue for a while now and I've never been able to say that before. Cheers Ronnie! Heat 1 Batchelor fell off at the back, no harm done as it was a 5-1 anyway. Heat 3 Morris rode into Zengota both floundering at the back and a guaranteed 5-1 turned into a 4-2. 2 points lost. Heat 4 and another rerun because a Swindon rider knocked another rider off, no harm done again in the rerun this time though. Heat 6 and Batchelor jumps the start again and gets away with it this time. Heat 7, kildemand fell off at the back and clears the track so no harm done. Heat 8, summers pulls out trailing at the back, no harm done again. Heat 12 Worrall all over Wright and passes him but Wright just managed to clip Worrall's dirt deflector and turn a 5-1 into a 3-3. 4 points lost. Heat 14 and Nicholls picks up some extra grip and is off, probably would have finished a 3-3 but Swindon get lucky again in the rerun an grab a 4-2. 2 points lost. Thanks to the slow sky presentation we didn't get to heat 15 which had 5-1 written all over it as we would have had Jonson and probably Nicholls off the best gates. 4 points lost. It could easily have been a lead of well over 20 but the tie is finely balanced with a lead of 14. Swindon beat us by six with a slightly weaker team and now Batchelor isn't trying to get his average down and summers is in for howarth Swindon are much higher stronger (otherwise Howarth would have been brought back obviously) so there's everything to race for in the second leg. Have to say what a great guest AJ was. I expelted him to do well and he didn't let us down and I'm pleased to see the reserved balance out, it gets boring listening to the usual suspects moan about the draft all the time and paid 8 equal top scorer for the former Belle Vue Colts rider. Finally, that's both the pokc semi finals affected by the rain an3d injuries again, who'd have thought it? Come on you pokc sycophants at least try and tell me I'm wrong even if you can't back it up, ha ha ha! The crowd was good and buzzing. Case rested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Belle vue had the gate choice in 15. As an Aces fan you couldn't have gone if you didn't think it was great, as at the track it was buzzing and a great night. Course i went i was talking about the quality of the racing some on here have mentioned, yes the result was superb, and the atmosphere was good, i was replying as to the actual racing product comment. Personally the quality didnt bother me tonight but for the neutral watching on TV it was gate and go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Having had a read through the thread now I'm back home it comes as no surprise that the consensus is that Swindon were lucky to only lose by 14. Obviously Swindon had a bit of misfortune as well but each time they had a bit of bad luck it made no difference or actually helped! First of all the track was the slickest I've ever seen it, any home advantage gone before we started but we were simply too good from the gate. I've been watching Belle Vue for a while now and I've never been able to say that before. Cheers Ronnie! Heat 1 Batchelor fell off at the back, no harm done as it was a 5-1 anyway. Heat 3 Morris rode into Zengota both floundering at the back and a guaranteed 5-1 turned into a 4-2. 2 points lost. Heat 4 and another rerun because a Swindon rider knocked another rider off, no harm done again in the rerun this time though. Heat 6 and Batchelor jumps the start again and gets away with it this time. Heat 7, kildemand fell off at the back and clears the track so no harm done. Heat 8, summers pulls out trailing at the back, no harm done again. Heat 12 Worrall all over Wright and passes him but Wright just managed to clip Worrall's dirt deflector and turn a 5-1 into a 3-3. 4 points lost. Heat 14 and Nicholls picks up some extra grip and is off, probably would have finished a 3-3 but Swindon get lucky again in the rerun an grab a 4-2. 2 points lost. Thanks to the slow sky presentation we didn't get to heat 15 which had 5-1 written all over it as we would have had Jonson and probably Nicholls off the best gates. 4 points lost. It could easily have been a lead of well over 20 but the tie is finely balanced with a lead of 14. Swindon beat us by six with a slightly weaker team and now Batchelor isn't trying to get his average down and summers is in for howarth Swindon are much higher stronger (otherwise Howarth would have been brought back obviously) so there's everything to race for in the second leg. Have to say what a great guest AJ was. I expelted him to do well and he didn't let us down and I'm pleased to see the reserved balance out, it gets boring listening to the usual suspects moan about the draft all the time and paid 8 equal top scorer for the former Belle Vue Colts rider. Finally, that's both the pokc semi finals affected by the rain and injuries again, who'd have thought it? Come on you pokc sycophants at least try and tell me I'm wrong even if you can't back it up, ha ha ha! Couldn't believe the constant delays,they knew the rain was coming, talk after heat 15, think your right, heat 15 looked belle vues to lose, think it would of been 5-1 to BV. I just came in as rosco was finishing is interview about zagar, did he get loads of stick lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Agree with much of what you said except in H12 Worrall took Wright off and was correctly excluded. H14, Morris was away and Killer was 3rd and looking faster than Nicholls off bend 2, so how you can say a likely 3-3 I do not know? All in all Aces solid and deserving, Robins poor, track even worse in regards to providing any racing to watch, unfortunately very gate & go. Hoping for a better 2nd leg, but expect the Aces to cruise through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 On the Swindon falls Aces were on 3 clear 5-1s and Re runs were 2x5-1 and 1x4-2 so Aces lost out. On Worrall exclusion we were on a 4-2 that became a 3-3 Aces lost out. On heat 14 it was a Swindon 4-2 on the fall and re-run was 4-2 swindon so same result. The Aces lost 4 points in those heats plus heat 15 with the gate choice. Heat 14 original race Morris clear and Kildermand in the process of passing Josh G when Scotty came off. Worrall's exclusion was his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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