TurnTwo Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Why did the league change from conference league to national league? I understand we want to bring on young British riders but there just isn't enough of them (a good enough quality coming through other than Tom Brennan, Bickley and Blackburn). Why don't they introduce it back into the league you're allowed one rider under 20 from the commonwealth. Assessed 5 point average or so so cannot be at reserve. Liven British speedway up again? Just to back it up the best riders in our league: Ellis - brought up in France Zach - brought up on continent Bwd - NZ Branford - aus Perks - aus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 and what will that do to help third tier / British speedway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Why did the league change from conference league to national league? I understand we want to bring on young British riders but there just isn't enough of them (a good enough quality coming through other than Tom Brennan, Bickley and Blackburn). Why don't they introduce it back into the league you're allowed one rider under 20 from the commonwealth. Assessed 5 point average or so so cannot be at reserve. Liven British speedway up again? Just to back it up the best riders in our league: Ellis - brought up in France Zach - brought up on continent Bwd - NZ Branford - aus Perks - aus Perks isn't in the top five in the league, neither is Zach for that matter. Ellis and Branford compete in British Championships, where they were raised should have no bearing on that fact. The NL has finally started to go in the right direction, there's no need to take two steps back now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 As a development league surely we are developing the sale of speedway to public as well as these riders. Look at Poland their meetings are pretty much gp standard the 4 that line up are a GP race so why don't we being through better racing - bigger crowds - larger revenue - profit to put back into clubs and one day actually have an elite league that is as good as Poland Denmark? My point was look at the start of the year Perks 3 Zach 3 Brad 5 They've all doubled their averages look at other 3 pointers that havnt even moved it kirby, Wilson, macdonald, verge, cousinz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Don't see what this would achieve. It would make the NL more expensive and I fear that in the long term it would reduce the number of opportunities for British youngsters as fewer teams are willing to enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 As a development league surely we are developing the sale of speedway to public as well as these riders. Look at Poland their meetings are pretty much gp standard the 4 that line up are a GP race so why don't we being through better racing - bigger crowds - larger revenue - profit to put back into clubs and one day actually have an elite league that is as good as Poland Denmark? My point was look at the start of the year Perks 3 Zach 3 Brad 5 They've all doubled their averages look at other 3 pointers that havnt even moved it kirby, Wilson, macdonald, verge, cousinz There will always be riders who sink as well as swim. But how ill they fare in year 2? Danny Ayres only got just over 3 in his first year, this season he is a heat leader. Michael Neale at Cradley has done well along with plenty of others Ryan Kinsley, Shane Hazeldon, Richard Andrews for example. Their averages may not have doubled but certainly encouraging. Up the average to 38 points. Limit the amount of times RR can be used and back the Brits regardless of where they were raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Think you will find that progress achieved by any rider is down to one significant factor............Money. The equipment used by the successful riders mentioned on the previous posts is reflection on there success. Other riders mentioned do not have the same amounts of cash to throw at the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) As a development league surely we are developing the sale of speedway to public as well as these riders. Look at Poland their meetings are pretty much gp standard the 4 that line up are a GP race so why don't we being through better racing - bigger crowds - larger revenue - profit to put back into clubs and one day actually have an elite league that is as good as Poland Denmark? My point was look at the start of the year Perks 3 Zach 3 Brad 5 They've all doubled their averages look at other 3 pointers that havnt even moved it kirby, Wilson, macdonald, verge, cousinz Because crowds were coming in in their thousands the last time Aussies and Kiwis were allowed to race in the third tier... The points limit needs to be raised to around 38. The PL needs to enforce a Brit only reserve system and the the likes of Branford, Ellis, Greenwood, Morley etc who are heatleaders in the NL are given a natural progression to the next level. Otherwise the likes of Konopka, Maassen and Dilger will be taking PL reserve berths yet again. Edited September 9, 2015 by Ben91 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Because crowds were coming in in their thousands the last time Aussies and Kiwis were allowed to race in the third tier... The points limit needs to be raised to around 38. The PL needs to enforce a Brit only reserve system and the the likes of Branford, Ellis, Greenwood, Morley etc who are heatleaders in the NL are given a natural progression to the next level. Otherwise the likes of Konopka, Maassen and Dilger will be taking PL reserve berths yet again. the PL has done that before, about 10/12 yrs ago ? it lasted 1 season because there wasn't enough riders good enough hence there was loads of crashes and injuries . there was also a couple of foreign riders riding on british licenses with years of experience of riding over here scoring double points every week so rival promoters who had fielded 2' real brits' saw it as bending the rules (cheating) and it was dropped. maybe just making teams have a british no7 would be a start though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 the PL has done that before, about 10/12 yrs ago ? it lasted 1 season because there wasn't enough riders good enough hence there was loads of crashes and injuries . there was also a couple of foreign riders riding on british licenses with years of experience of riding over here scoring double points every week so rival promoters who had fielded 2' real brits' saw it as bending the rules (cheating) and it was dropped. maybe just making teams have a british no7 would be a start though. That's simply not true, the bit in bold especially. Steve Boxall and Jon Armstrong were both scoring heavily at reserve and were told they had to move into their respective top fives despite reserve positions being 'protected' all season. It was a good system in principle and had it been developed rather than scrapped after it didn't produce instant positive results in 2006 we may well have a stronger standard of British riders in the sport now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 All 3 Leagues should run to a 42.5 Team Building average! The 36 NL 2015 version was not viable and will not be in 2016 either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted September 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I think the false averages will be the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 All 3 Leagues should run to a 42.5 Team Building average! The 36 NL 2015 version was not viable and will not be in 2016 either! The 36-point-limit has worked really well, the league is so better balanced this season. The 2015 NL has been the most competitive for years. I hope the 36-point-limit is kept for the next few years to ensure a constant stream of young talent into the league. All the best Rob 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The 36-point-limit has worked really well, the league is so better balanced this season. The 2015 NL has been the most competitive for years. I hope the 36-point-limit is kept for the next few years to ensure a constant stream of young talent into the league. All the best Rob Can't agree with you there, I respect everyones opinion, and this is only mine, I think it has ruined the season for me as a spectator at Kent, Who wants to watch riders who are unable to complete 4 laps on a regular basis? and actually show no signs of improvement not just at reserve but at number 2 as well, that leaves pretty much every race so un even and predictable that its become boring Kent had to lose lambert, Mason and Compton, riders who were great to watch at this level and replace with Shepherd, Couzins and Verge/ Basford It does those guys no favours either, one in the team you can carry, not 3 It may be good for some teams who have "found" riders who can come in on a extremely low averages, but actually be heatleaders, but that won't last, next year when their averages go up and they have to fill them up with riders who are not good enough for the MDL the interest will wane like it has at kent this year I just hope Kent go premier of elite next year so I can enjoy my live speedway again 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The 36 point limit has to be raised because it may put lots of young riders out of teams just because their average does not fit. That will not help british speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Can't agree with you there, I respect everyones opinion, and this is only mine, I think it has ruined the season for me as a spectator at Kent, Who wants to watch riders who are unable to complete 4 laps on a regular basis? and actually show no signs of improvement not just at reserve but at number 2 as well, that leaves pretty much every race so un even and predictable that its become boring Kent had to lose lambert, Mason and Compton, riders who were great to watch at this level and replace with Shepherd, Couzins and Verge/ Basford It does those guys no favours either, one in the team you can carry, not 3 It may be good for some teams who have "found" riders who can come in on a extremely low averages, but actually be heatleaders, but that won't last, next year when their averages go up and they have to fill them up with riders who are not good enough for the MDL the interest will wane like it has at kent this year I just hope Kent go premier of elite next year so I can enjoy my live speedway again Well said and spot on as far as I am concerned. I do not go to Kent anymore as fed up watching riders who struggle to do 4 laps. Riders that make no progress and continue/come back into the team. It makes it so predictable that they will score hardly a point or two. Ayres is an example of how riders can improve. As you say I hope for Premier Speedway but I have a feeling it will be National League again. To me the Club has stood still/gone backwards ( as could well finish bottom this year). What is the situation with the Friday night extended curfew ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 To cut the point limit to 36 or 38 next year would be a disaster. They got away with it this year because there was an extra team but it still meant no starting place for the likes of Carr, Compton, M Bates, Johnson. They had to wait for an injury and then the one they replaced was put up on the shelf. Because there are 42 points available both team and top riders averages have moved up quite considerably and all teams except Mildenhall are over 38. To meet 38 would necessitate about half of the current heat leaders to be dropped, dependent on how many teams went top heavy with two big hitters and a weak tail. Most of these are the lads who have developed well over the last year or two and the best prospects for the future. That means they have to move to the continent to try and get rides or leave the sport. This would not be a problem if the Pl were to have British youngsters only at reserve but we all know that is not going to happen. It is no good keep talking about creating space for new British youngsters to come into the NL on 3.00 when 2 years later after they start to realize their potential they are put on the scrap heap. It is even possible there will be less teams in the NL next, Having lost the legal fight will Mildenhall close?, Some Coventry fans seem to think there will be no Storm next year, Recent events at Rye House put a question mark over the Raiders, Will two teams be able to continue sharing Perry Barr? The only bright spark is the possible return of Isle Of Wight. We must have a 42 point limit to maintain some balance and if less teams then that will mean 43/44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseguy Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 A.J -I would love Premier league speedway next year, and would have no problem at all in accomodating Ayres, Morley and Shanes into that team as reserves/ number 2 Imagine them with someone like Boxall, Kennett, Lawson and King I know they all ride for other teams, and the averages may not fit, but one can dream, I wouldn't miss a match, we could even give Wilson Dean and Adam ellis a premier league spot I actually think Kent have missed a few tricks this year losing riders to Eastbourne that were right on our doorsteps, but Premier League speedway and a half decent side would be a massive boost and I predict supporters would return in their droves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Having a 3 pointer in the main body of the side does nobody any favours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Personally I think this season has been one of the most competitive and entertaining seasons of NL for quite a while. Yes the situation at Kent has been dire but that is because the left it too late to decide their team and when the scraps that were left didn't deliver they were allowed to stay rolling round and didn't get the kick up the exhaust they deserved. Will be a huge shame if teams are forced out next year. Hopefully there might be more like Redcar & the IOW but if the league is to flourish it needs riders fighting for places not earning automatic places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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