1 valve Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) Let's be honest having Jason Doyle, as good as he is, at Leicester hasn't done us a lot of good regards league position has it. My suggestion would be to concentrate on building a strong 1 to 7. Totally agree...build a strong 1 - 7. starting with a number 1...oh we already have that position filled with JD so why should DH not put up a fight to keep and then lets concentrate on getting a strong 2 - 5 to make having one of the best number one in Elite league worthwhile...Which in case anybody hadn't realised a strong team would produce much better results and the crowds will also return to higher levels - after all poor team results is the main reason crowds have appeared to dwindle. Edited September 26, 2015 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 And this is where British speedway ranks these days - fitting in fixtures around other countries' leagues and the GPs. No, it's not. Like anything in life you have give and take and have to share. There are 7 days in the weeks, why should British speedway have 7 of them? Poland has 1, the GPs some weeks have 2 of them. Sweden has two of them. That means UK PL can have a choice of 4 (6 technically as the Thursday clashes with Sweden don't seem to be an issue, nor do the Sundays with Poland and I'm sure the Tuesdays could be used if you wanted - IoW used to cope), UK EL has a 2 days of it's own (Monday and Wednesday) plus Thursdays are not really an issue with Swedish 2nd division. And if you really want to, you can run Fridays and/or Saturdays too - thought I think with GP, SEC, U21s and all the qualfiers it makes Saturdays a bit of a no these days. It can be done, you just have to work with the other countries. Why should British speedway be allowed 7 days a week? The poor Aussies invented the sport, they don't even get 1 day a week!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethelion Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Totally agree...build a strong 1 - 7. starting with a number 1...oh we already have that position filled with JD so why should DH not put up a fight to keep and then lets concentrate on getting a strong 2 - 5 to make having one of the best number one in Elite league worthwhile...Which in case anybody hadn't realised a strong team would produce much better results and the crowds will also return to higher levels - after all poor team results is the main reason crowds have appeared to dwindle. The trouble is, getting a strong team is the the problem, as was shown this season when trying to replace Pedersen & Michelson. Norrie Allen said at the time,they had approached riders but because of them riding in Poland on Sundays no one was interested, and we ended up with Swiderski in a heat-leader position. The only solution to that is obviously to change to mid-week in a bid to try & get Jason to stay & to build a stronger team around him. but DH understandably seems reluctant to do that because of the effect on the attendances, but as you say a stronger team producing better results would produce better crowds but whether they would be big enough in mid-week to break even I don't know. I have a season ticket but if it was mid-week I wouldn't be able to go.But while they remain a Saturday night track I think they are n't going to attract the better riders & will always be one of the also-rans instead of pushing for a play-off place. The only other alternative is the one I'd like to see, a return to the premier league with saturday night racing, but to DH that would be admitting defeat & I can't see him doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) No, it's not. Like anything in life you have give and take and have to share. There are 7 days in the weeks, why should British speedway have 7 of them? Poland has 1, the GPs some weeks have 2 of them. Sweden has two of them. That means UK PL can have a choice of 4 (6 technically as the Thursday clashes with Sweden don't seem to be an issue, nor do the Sundays with Poland and I'm sure the Tuesdays could be used if you wanted - IoW used to cope), UK EL has a 2 days of it's own (Monday and Wednesday) plus Thursdays are not really an issue with Swedish 2nd division. And if you really want to, you can run Fridays and/or Saturdays too - thought I think with GP, SEC, U21s and all the qualfiers it makes Saturdays a bit of a no these days. It can be done, you just have to work with the other countries. Why should British speedway be allowed 7 days a week? The poor Aussies invented the sport, they don't even get 1 day a week!! It does amaze me that so many fans in this country talk of 'loyalty' of the riders... These guys are self employed people who have several 'jobs on the go'.... Their loyalty is to no one but themselves and their families, like any of us.. If I was self employed and had a contract with someone which meant I worked 3 - 4 times a week, and then someone came along with an offer that meant I worked just one day a week (but for several more times the cash I was earning in my original role) I would rip their hands off and say 'sorry' to the original 'employer' without a moments hesitation..... All the EL can offer these top guys is more work for less money than can be earned elsewhere... And then be surprised when so many turn down their offer!!! As some have said, its time for British Speedway to realise it is the 'Div 3'' of World Speedway and cut its cloth accordingly... You dont need world class riders to deliver great speedway, you do though need fans to be able to afford the product you are delivering and rate it as 'value for money'... The sport no longer starts and finishes at Dover... Time for those in charge to face up to it and deliver a League that is competitive but also affordable for both themselves and the fans... And be as radical as they need to be in delivering it.... Edited September 26, 2015 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) The cheek of riders like Doyle annoys me. British speedway cannot continue to beg riders who wish to ride anywhere but here, and by saying you can have several bad meetings here before feeling under any pressure only adds to the severity of the problem and reinforces whether we are seeing these "tired" boys at their best. British speedway will not return to anything like a power while it allows average-riders to make outlandish comments. Who brought these boys over to Europe in the first place? Tired because he has to rush off to catch his journey to Poland. British speedway yearns for the days when riders were committed to clubs. How does the average fan feel, paying his hard-earned cash, standing on the terraces week on week, and then riders imply they are bottom of their priorities. I made up my mind years ago - I cannot offer full support for men that see a us as a bit of overtime. Wake up, promoters. Edited September 26, 2015 by moxey63 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) The cheek of riders like Doyle annoys me. British speedway cannot continue to beg riders who wish to ride anywhere but here, and by saying you can have several bad meetings here before feeling under any pressure only adds to the severity of the problem and reinforces whether we are seeing these "tired" boys at their best. British speedway will not return to anything like a power while it allows average-riders to make outlandish comments. Who brought these boys over to Europe in the first place? Tired because he has to rush off to catch his journey to Poland. British speedway yearns for the days when riders were committed to clubs. How does the average fan feel, paying his hard-earned cash, standing on the terraces week on week, and then riders imply they are bottom of their priorities. I made up my mind years ago - I cannot offer full support for men that see a us as a bit of overtime. Wake up, promoters. Correct on many points... The issue that British Speedway has is that it is a 'halfway house'... Not big enough to dictate to the 'stars' and just big enough to attract the 'next tier down riders' (who then go on to be 'stars') and consequently start to want everything tailor made for themselves.. A vicious circle.. Its time for British Speedway to say, 'This is our business model, this is how much we will spend,and this is when you will race"....... Take it or leave it... And then decide on the league strengths only when they know who wants to come.... The 'tail is wagging the dog' and those in charge need to grow a pair and do something about it.. Edited September 26, 2015 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 The Saturday night racing in the Elite league for Leicester has now become pretty unworkable,it is not just a problem of signing new riders and getting Jason Doyle and Wozniak to stay. Even if the club take the attitude some of here suggest just sign riders who don't care about Poland leaving you little options. There is now a real problem getting clubs to come to Leicester on Saturday nights this season Poole and Swindon refused to come although the latter had to in the end. Lakeside also asked if they could change a Saturday match to midweek due to rider availability. It will have to be Elite league midweek,Bank holiday Mondays and possibly a couple of Saturdays early season,The other option is drop down to the Premier league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 The Saturday night racing in the Elite league for Leicester has now become pretty unworkable,it is not just a problem of signing new riders and getting Jason Doyle and Wozniak to stay. Even if the club take the attitude some of here suggest just sign riders who don't care about Poland leaving you little options. There is now a real problem getting clubs to come to Leicester on Saturday nights this season Poole and Swindon refused to come although the latter had to in the end. Lakeside also asked if they could change a Saturday match to midweek due to rider availability. It will have to be Elite league midweek,Bank holiday Mondays and possibly a couple of Saturdays early season,The other option is drop down to the Premier league I honestly think dropping to the premier league is the only option at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Every rider cares about Poland whilst they can earn big money and perform in front of thousands so that's a daft argument isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justathought Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Everybody talks about big money in Poland. What exactly is the difference how much can Doyle earn riding there as apposed to the uk. Does anyone actually know or is it another one of those great Speedway things where everyone who ever attends a meeting is an expert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted September 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 To be fair why on earth should Coventry be agreeable for a club only 20 miles away to take over their race night especially as quite a lot of fans go to both tracks at the moment? All this to keep Jason Doyle? If Leicester changed to Friday's he'd still probably want to go to all the G.P. practices so they'd be no better off. Don't think it's just about keeping Jason Doyle. It's about being able to build and maintain a competitive EL team, and having away teams/riders which are not reluctant to fulfil saturday fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 No, it's not. Like anything in life you have give and take and have to share. There are 7 days in the weeks, why should British speedway have 7 of them? Poland has 1, the GPs some weeks have 2 of them. Sweden has two of them. That means UK PL can have a choice of 4 (6 technically as the Thursday clashes with Sweden don't seem to be an issue, nor do the Sundays with Poland and I'm sure the Tuesdays could be used if you wanted - IoW used to cope), UK EL has a 2 days of it's own (Monday and Wednesday) plus Thursdays are not really an issue with Swedish 2nd division. And if you really want to, you can run Fridays and/or Saturdays too - thought I think with GP, SEC, U21s and all the qualfiers it makes Saturdays a bit of a no these days. It can be done, you just have to work with the other countries. Why should British speedway be allowed 7 days a week? The poor Aussies invented the sport, they don't even get 1 day a week!! Why should we have all 7 days , because we always have done and it suits teams and riders from this country to have it that way , you should be thinking more on terms of why we should create turmoil in our own leagues to pander to the Bsi and a few foreign riders . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Everybody talks about big money in Poland. What exactly is the difference how much can Doyle earn riding there as apposed to the uk. Does anyone actually know or is it another one of those great Speedway things where everyone who ever attends a meeting is an expert. I remember reading a while back that riders in Poland get 5 to 10 times per point more than in England,so if Doyle is on £150 per point in England he would be on £750 to £1500 per point in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Why should we have all 7 days , because we always have done and it suits teams and riders from this country to have it that way , you should be thinking more on terms of why we should create turmoil in our own leagues to pander to the Bsi and a few foreign riders . That attitude is fine, as long as British speedway is the top priority for riders. The problem you'll have though, is that it isn't. There are basically two schools of thought. Your approach will eventually see British speedway as an amateur sport held at a handful of tracks. Not necessarily a problem in itself, as it will be sustainable, but with a much reduced schedule of events, similar to what we currently see in grasstrack. The other approach is to work around the other leagues and individual meetings in order to make British speedway (or Elite League at least) attractive to the top riders. The logic is that this will help retain, or not attract, the best riders and in turn bigger crowds. The problem at the moment is that we have a halfway house between the two. Clubs stubbornly refuse to compromise their race nights, which in turn put off the top riders and subsequently means dwindling crowds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Everybody talks about big money in Poland. What exactly is the difference how much can Doyle earn riding there as apposed to the uk. Does anyone actually know or is it another one of those great Speedway things where everyone who ever attends a meeting is an expert. I think it was Chris Holder who did a Q and A and got asked how much he made... This was a few years ago so cannot remember if he was world champ at the time... He said he earned around 1500 a match in Britain but could earn up to ten times that in Poland... (I think it was double - treble the British money in Sweden) I seem to remember Emil saying he was owed over 250k in Poland so big money is definitely on the agenda out there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Big money is certainly offered in Poland and Sweden - but whether the riders receive it all is another matter entirely!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 The money that the Poles and Swedes are paying out to riders, is now having the same affect that it had over here in the EL. Clubs are struggling to stay afloat. The British promoters said no in the end and put a cap on the money paid to them, the top riders or most of them, then spit their dummies and stopped coming over here, as they would bother turning out for what the British promoters offered them. If they carry on with it abroad then we will find that very shortly a lot of the clubs will go under. They have found this already in Poland where riders have not received the money due to them. It is time that all the clubs at home and abroad, fixed a rate of pay for the riders in a scale for 1-7. If they don't come up with this soon, then they will all be coming back again crawling to us because the clubs that offered them the silly money will be shut down. Was it me or was the crowd at this weekends GP very poor, seemed to be lots of empty seats, have people lost interest in the GP's. When all siad and done it is the same week in week out with long strung out heats, that at times are very boring to watch after they have got around the first 2 bends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Why should we have all 7 days , because we always have done and it suits teams and riders from this country to have it that way , you should be thinking more on terms of why we should create turmoil in our own leagues to pander to the Bsi and a few foreign riders . I don't think it is a case of pandering to anybody. UK speedway has to face up and recognise other countries offer speedway to fans and employment to riders. Promoters have to provide a brand of sport that is appealing to both parties (fans & riders) and put simply, British speedway is not the "top dog" as it used to be - far from it. So lets encourage change that brings improvement rather than arguing that we should have it our way because that's what we have always had...and resulted in Poland & Sweden having better crowds, paying better wages and BTW winning World Cups! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 It always amazes me how the Poles can build the speedway stadiums they do. They are stadiums for the 21st century not the old dog track image we still have here. Even the new stadium at Leicester is still staying with the old British style track image. Not sure what Belle Vue new stadium will look like, but I doubt very much that it will come anywhere near the all round seated stadiums that the Poles seem to love, Also what sort of plans have Swindon got for there's, will it just be another plain old 1960's style British stadium, it is time that British speedway came into a new era and started to get away from the very old and tired looking stadiums that we have around the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 if only Britain could build a torun!! then you could call it a national stadium...awesome place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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