beckettlion Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Very funny how you couldn't find one no1 now you are going to have two, very ironic. Still might not happen. and it depends why the riders were avoiding the elite league. If they're happy to job share but didn't want to ride here full time, theres a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 As I understand it the 'squad/job share' option is only for doubling up 2nd strings - unless that has been changed at Tuesday's BSPA meeting. Talk of job shares/squads to include heat leaders was initially being looked at for 2017!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 As I understand it the 'squad/job share' option is only for doubling up 2nd strings - unless that has been changed at Tuesday's BSPA meeting. Talk of job shares/squads to include heat leaders was initially being looked at for 2017!! Correct. CVS confirmed that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 What's Coventry got to do with it? If Leicester want to race Friday's they will, whether Coventry like it or not. Clearly ignorance is indeed bliss for you Screamer...FYI race nights are agreed between promoters and changes to regular nights need to be approved by the same group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 According to the Lion's website there has been a problem with uploading the fixtures. Also the dates are not provisional, as shown on some websites (BSPA in particular), but confirmed dates. Wish someone would get their act together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) As I understand it the 'squad/job share' option is only for doubling up 2nd strings - unless that has been changed at Tuesday's BSPA meeting. Talk of job shares/squads to include heat leaders was initially being looked at for 2017!! So you understand it that the job share role is between Lawson & Kennett? Therefore making Swiderski a full-time member. Edited January 22, 2016 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 So you understand it that the job share role is between Lawson & Kennett. Therefore making Swiderski a full-time member. So does that mean Kennett and Lawson are to busy for full time Elite League Racing?? And Lakeside prefer Swiderski full time in the team to either Lawson or Kennett? I would think the above scenario is NOT the case, can someone confirm the Lakeside 1-7 and which position/s are to be shared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Correct. CVS confirmed that.Why put it off a year when it's needed this ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Regardless of what the Leicester speedway website says about the fixtures they are NOT confirmed. It is correct Leicester speedway have submitted their fixtures to the BSPA but they have not been approved because all EL clubs are saying they can not ride saturday's because their riders are unavailble . So all Leicester's home fixtures are offcially provisional despite what the club tell their fans about them being confirmed . DH is at stand off with the rest of the league saying they are the fixtures no room for negotiation & all other teams saying they can't come on a saturday evening. Edited January 22, 2016 by lionking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 If they refuse to come to BP on a Saturday does that mean that they automaticcaly award the meeting to the Lions. There is only one big problem with that DH gets no money coming in through the gate, I don't know how he would stand about paying the riders wages, can't see them standing for that if they lose out on points money, every 2 weeks. There are going to be an auful lot of dissapointed bunnies least of all the fans, if there are no home meetings to come to. It is all a bit silly to me, it looks like this is going to be a very bad year for the whole of the EL. With the teams without good No1 riders other than 3 or 4 clubs. Something needs doing and doing fast before next season turns out to be the year that breaks the camels backs as far as the EL is concerned.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Regardless of what the Leicester speedway website says about the fixtures they are NOT confirmed. It is correct Leicester speedway have submitted their fixtures to the BSPA but they have not been approved because all EL clubs are saying they can not ride saturday's because their riders are unavailble . So all Leicester's home fixtures are offcially provisional despite what the club tell their fans about them being confirmed . DH is at stand off with the rest of the league saying they are the fixtures no room for negotiation & all other teams saying they can't come on a saturday evening. stand off or not. I cant believe clubs would say they are not able to ride Saturdays (which appears reasonable and realistic considering Lions cant find a full team for Saturdays themselves) without providing an alternative solution. So Mondays, Wednesday Thursday or Friday...take your pick - Obviously Friday would suit DH the best because of his thought that a no school day/next day adds to the attendance. And then we get back to the beginning..Coventry will not allow Lions to ride on Fridays as their regular race night. Which again confirms that whilst individual promoters insist on thinking about themselves first, there is little future for the healthy growth of the sport....or even long term survival. When will they ever realize that battles between clubs should be fought out on the track, not in the meeting room! Edited January 22, 2016 by 1 valve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Regardless of what the Leicester speedway website says about the fixtures they are NOT confirmed. It is correct Leicester speedway have submitted their fixtures to the BSPA but they have not been approved because all EL clubs are saying they can not ride saturday's because their riders are unavailble . So all Leicester's home fixtures are offcially provisional despite what the club tell their fans about them being confirmed . DH is at stand off with the rest of the league saying they are the fixtures no room for negotiation & all other teams saying they can't come on a saturday evening. Half of me doesn't want to believe this but seeing how speedway is run I expect it's true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 So what are Coventry going to do next year if the EL goes to single night racing. Come to that what are Leicester going to do. Just another example of the intransigence of speedway promoters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Why put it off a year when it's needed this ..... It was wanted this year but one promoter complained so it was deferred until 2017. Again confirmed by CVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 So what are Coventry going to do next year if the EL goes to single night racing. Come to that what are Leicester going to do. Just another example of the intransigence of speedway promoters At the heart of the problem is that speedway promoters do not have sufficient trust in each other to work together for what is best for the sport and ultimately their vested interests. There are some who would/could work that way but they fear being taken advantage of by the others...So we are back to the trust thing. Some 50 years ago American football was in exactly the same predicament with even more at stake. Fortunately for the then owners, they agreed to give it one last shot of doing something to save them from self destruction and appointed a totally independent "Commissioner" to steer the way. A complete overall followed, a stack load of pride was swallowed, egos deflated and tons of bitter truth pills were consumed and then, the NFL was born...the rest as the saying goes, is history! If only UK speedway promoters could follow suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Teams are willing to come any other day just NOT a saturday so teams are willing to help but DH won't budge on the racenight. DH view its saturday night or not at all & teams should be forced to come on the dates listed with or without their top riders. stand off or not. I cant believe clubs would say they are not able to ride Saturdays (which appears reasonable and realistic considering Lions cant find a full team for Saturdays themselves) without providing an alternative solution. So Mondays, Wednesday Thursday or Friday...take your pick - Obviously Friday would suit DH the best because of his thought that a no school day/next day adds to the attendance. And then we get back to the beginning..Coventry will not allow Lions to ride on Fridays as their regular race night. Which again confirms that whilst individual promoters insist on thinking about themselves first, there is little future for the healthy growth of the sport....or even long term survival. When will they ever realize that battles between clubs should be fought out on the track, not in the meeting room! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 For once myself and Lionking agree on what is going on at Leicester and he has stated the facts. I do have a feeling that DH is trying to force the BSPA to let him withdraw from the league as he he said before he would not run in 2016 if he didn't lose his bond and a fine. The only thing that he has not helped himself with is that he has always ran Bank holiday Monday's but is refusing to do so this year. This would help the situation as would be 3 less matches on Sat along with two Sky meetings you may only have 8 Saturday night matches to fit in. This attitude is only making him even more unpopular with his fellow promotors as can see he is being awkward as he cannot get a team together. I would not like to bet whether Leicester will actually take part in 2016 EL at present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 For once myself and Lionking agree on what is going on at Leicester and he has stated the facts. I do have a feeling that DH is trying to force the BSPA to let him withdraw from the league as he he said before he would not run in 2016 if he didn't lose his bond and a fine. The only thing that he has not helped himself with is that he has always ran Bank holiday Monday's but is refusing to do so this year. This would help the situation as would be 3 less matches on Sat along with two Sky meetings you may only have 8 Saturday night matches to fit in. This attitude is only making him even more unpopular with his fellow promotors as can see he is being awkward as he cannot get a team together. I would not like to bet whether Leicester will actually take part in 2016 EL at present Neither would I! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I thought every club had to stipulate a second race night (rain-off night?) each week? What is Leicester's and why can't that be used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) stand off or not. I cant believe clubs would say they are not able to ride Saturdays (which appears reasonable and realistic considering Lions cant find a full team for Saturdays themselves) without providing an alternative solution. So Mondays, Wednesday Thursday or Friday...take your pick - Obviously Friday would suit DH the best because of his thought that a no school day/next day adds to the attendance. And then we get back to the beginning..Coventry will not allow Lions to ride on Fridays as their regular race night. Which again confirms that whilst individual promoters insist on thinking about themselves first, there is little future for the healthy growth of the sport....or even long term survival. When will they ever realize that battles between clubs should be fought out on the track, not in the meeting room! Coventry are coming to Lakeside on a Saturday, as they do most years. Some years Coventry have been down twice on a Saturday. If Coventry are prepared to come to Lakeside on a Saturday then clearly they would go to Leicester on a Saturday and if Lakeside are prepared to field a team to race on a Saturday at home then clearly they can field a team to race at Leicester on a Saturday. How is that Lakeside and Coventry can sort out a Saturday fixture between them but Leicester cant ? How is it that in the past teams have gone to Eastbourne on a Saturday ? From what I hear its Leicester being difficult and wanting teams with GP riders to ride on the Saturday of GP weekends. Maybe that's not the whole picture but its difficult to believe they are all ganging up on poor little old Leicester to drive it out of business when the whole Sky deal would collapse if they do. EDIT : just noticed that Coventry are at Lakeside twice on a Saturday (May and August) so clearly Saturday meetings can be arranged. Edited January 22, 2016 by Daytripper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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