Woz01 Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I think we are talking about ground share for 2017 not next season, so the JD situation re him possibly not riding on Saturday in the UK still exists. Also re ground share, Surely Coventry will be able to build a stadium within a year i.e. work starts next March then it would be ready for the start of the 2017 season. Even if a site is bought in the next couple of months it will then be a long process to get planning permission. We'd be lucky to buy a site, get planning permission and build a stadium in 18 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Even if a site is bought in the next couple of months it will then be a long process to get planning permission. We'd be lucky to buy a site, get planning permission and build a stadium in 18 months. Maybe, but we can be pretty sure no site would be purchased unless outline planning permission had been agreed as this is not a land bank scenario, i.e. cant wait for time to pass aka housing sites. And I thought a site has been found just that folk in the know are remaining tight lipped for now. I agree 18 months would appear tight and that's why a ground share maybe needed, but I don't think anybody should assume just yet that it will be needed. Just good to have backup plans in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 having been on holiday for 1 week and successfully avoiding the result from the Aussie GP I sat down to watch a great Aussie GP, apart from the horrible crash in the final it was a great GP. Nowhere can I find any news on Jason Doyle, can any of you put my mind to rest with positive news about Jason's crash. Look up his twitter and there is news on there from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 It amazes me that it takes them so long to build a stadium. When you look at any large factory or supermarket, they move in and with 6 to 8 months, they are up and ready for business. It is not that they have an awful lot to do, I would have though the track laying was the biggest part of the opperation, the building and fences etc should be able to be up and ready in 6 to 7 months at the outside. That is unless they are building something along the lines of a Polish stadium, but no doubt this being the UK, we will just have a more modern dog track type stadium. Only a bit newer and cleaner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 It amazes me that it takes them so long to build a stadium. When you look at any large factory or supermarket, they move in and with 6 to 8 months, they are up and ready for business. It is not that they have an awful lot to do, I would have though the track laying was the biggest part of the opperation, the building and fences etc should be able to be up and ready in 6 to 7 months at the outside. That is unless they are building something along the lines of a Polish stadium, but no doubt this being the UK, we will just have a more modern dog track type stadium. Only a bit newer and cleaner. They have got to find the land first....it only took Leicester 28 years to get a new track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 It amazes me that it takes them so long to build a stadium. When you look at any large factory or supermarket, they move in and with 6 to 8 months, they are up and ready for business. It is not that they have an awful lot to do, I would have though the track laying was the biggest part of the opperation, the building and fences etc should be able to be up and ready in 6 to 7 months at the outside. That is unless they are building something along the lines of a Polish stadium, but no doubt this being the UK, we will just have a more modern dog track type stadium. Only a bit newer and cleaner. This posting reads like it's been sent by a co*k can't believe that of WW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Think WW os just a bit thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Think WW os just a bit thick.That's just darned rude people!! Yes not thick/stupid, but doesn't realise that supermarkets have a lot of clout when building! No money issues, contractors probably falling over themselves to get a piece of the pie, can't see that happening in the world of building speedway stadia, money must be the biggest build issue once planning sorted.... Edited due to predictive text being a dumb arse!!!! Edited November 2, 2015 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 There are so many variables that its extremely difficult to predict how long it will take to build a new track. First you have got to find and buy/lease a site, second you have got to get the local authority on board and hope that there are no planning or environmental issues that can't be easily solved (have a look at the conditions attached to Leicester's planning approval), third the finance needs to be available, fourth you need to have the BSPA on board (no problem there I would have thought but you never know) and last you have got to build the place. Just look at how long it has taken to get the new Belle Vue Track in place. Was it 3/4/5 years? I reckon the Bees will have done well if they are in a new stadium for the 2019 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 There are so many variables that its extremely difficult to predict how long it will take to build a new track. First you have got to find and buy/lease a site, second you have got to get the local authority on board and hope that there are no planning or environmental issues that can't be easily solved (have a look at the conditions attached to Leicester's planning approval), third the finance needs to be available, fourth you need to have the BSPA on board (no problem there I would have thought but you never know) and last you have got to build the place. Just look at how long it has taken to get the new Belle Vue Track in place. Was it 3/4/5 years? I reckon the Bees will have done well if they are in a new stadium for the 2019 season. Well they've had a couple of years in which to do some of that. It's not as if this is anything that's come out of the blue. The cynical side of me can't help thinking that (as well as the need to derive additional income) there are motives behind DH's "offer to talk" that are to do with attempts at horse-trading over more immediate issues, where he may be angling for a favour from Coventry in the shorter-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 No it was not a dumb arse comment by me, the time that it takes to find the land and getting the planning permission is probabbly the hardest part. Being that the Bees have been racing speedway in this region for so many years you would think the local council would bend over backwards to help them, but it looks like they are doing thier best to spoil things for them. The management have know for 2 years now that time was running out for them and still they are like a greyhound that the gate won't come open on the trap and are just yapping and stuck at the start. What beats me though is when all the land and planning is sorted why does it take so long to get the places built. Have people not heard of telling the contractors thyat we expect the place to be finished by a certain time or you will lose some of the money we agreed to. But no they let them amble along like a set of children playing about in a sand pir, I for one would make sure that my demands where heard, from the start. Not pussy foot around and let them take what ever time they want to get the place built. But this is the world of speedway we are talking about. If when I put out contracts when in engineering and gave them dates like the ones they seem to give for building a speedway stadium I would have been laughed at and never got some much as one job out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I believe Rugby Council do want to keep the sport in the area. The local MP is part of the Speedway parliamentary group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 thanks to Greg (unintentionally) laying his bike down into JD's back wheel! Well thats one way of looking at it , there is another more accurate and widely held view though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I believe Rugby Council do want to keep the sport in the area. The local MP is part of the Speedway parliamentary group. how about the local mayor? tony gillias? big Coventry connection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Well they've had a couple of years in which to do some of that. It's not as if this is anything that's come out of the blue. The cynical side of me can't help thinking that (as well as the need to derive additional income) there are motives behind DH's "offer to talk" that are to do with attempts at horse-trading over more immediate issues, where he may be angling for a favour from Coventry in the shorter-term. Whatever the reason for DH.s offer It will give hope to some of the Bees fans , me personally I dont believe there is any land to be announced at christmas , that is just another delay tactic to hold off protests while the initial planning get eased through , if there is no land with outline permisson @ 1/1/ 2016 that is the end of the Coventry Bees , and I would rather see them go out with a bang next October , than prolong the agony by grounsharing for a couple of seasons and fizzling out like Cradley Heath did , realistically , land for noisy sports like speedway and stock cars doesnt exist , the country is so over laden with new builds that there's nowhere out of earshot of some nimby or other , how about the local mayor? tony gillias? big Coventry connection simple enough then . refuse building permission ansd insist on sticking to the sports use covenant 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 .....weatherwatcher...... The management have know for 2 years now that time was running out for them and still they are like a greyhound that the gate won't come open on the trap and are just yapping and stuck at the start. Why are you criticizing the management? They only rent the stadium from Sandhu and he wants to sell so what are they supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 I believe Rugby Council do want to keep the sport in the area. The local MP is part of the Speedway parliamentary group. Does Rugby Council have an asset register? If so, had anyone reviewed this for potential sites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Well thats one way of looking at it , there is another more accurate and widely held view though And what would that view be? I have only made my assessment based on looking at the race where I see JD leading into the bend and coming across GH and the two come together resulting in JD straightening and narrowly avoiding a highside. Meanwhile GH attempt at avoiding the coming together see him losing the front and his back wheel coming around and hitting the lowest point of JD's back wheel which in essence puts a complete stop to JD's progress and as they say, the rest is history. To be clear at no point am I saying that this was nothing more than the outcome of what is referred to as first bend bunching and that GH tried his best to avoid the incident once he realized he had lost out to JD on the first bend. Edited November 3, 2015 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 And what would that view be? I have only made my assessment based on looking at the race where I see JD leading into the bend and coming across GH and the two come together resulting in JD straightening and narrowly avoiding a highside. Meanwhile GH attempt at avoiding the coming together see him losing the front and his back wheel coming around and hitting the lowest point of JD's back wheel which in essence puts a complete stop to JD's progress and as they say, the rest is history. To be clear at no point am I saying that this was nothing more than the outcome of what is referred to as first bend bunching and that GH tried his best to avoid the incident once he realized he had lost out to JD on the first bend. well there you go , thats your view , Mine is Hancock and doyle got to the first turn at the same time , doyle then tried as he has with other riders to lean on Hancock, most other riders would have gone a bit wider , but doyle thought he could bully Hancock and the result was the crash . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Does Rugby Council have an asset register? If so, had anyone reviewed this for potential sites? They do indeed - available here in CSV format - https://www.rugby.gov.uk/downloads/file/492/asset_register Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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