Shirl Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Ha! If he was up before the beak for the likes of those, they'd struggle to finish the hearing within a week! Following those comments maybe sectioned under the mental health act Perhaps 9k is not enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Getting back on track - the fine imposed by the SCB is truly incredible; and I'm quite certain, could not be justified in a court of law. For a £300 penalty to increase to £7,500 represents an increase (if my sums are correct) of 2,500%! I would love to see the SCB's rationale for this increase; particularly given the initial fine imposed v the severity of the alleged misdemeanour(s). you dont know maybe the SCB have a payday loan that they have to pay back They truly are an utter embarrassment to this sport; and undoubtedly, one of the biggest contributory factors for its sad demise here within the UK. Cannot disagree with you there. Edited June 12, 2016 by tonyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Ludvig Lindgren replaces Watt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Ludvig Lindgren replaces Watt Ouch. I'm not even sure a game of golf is going to make that better for him 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 lindgren signing on paper makes us weaker... Fortunately it's raced on shale and he's been going better than watt has. Anyone know what's happening with szymon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 lindgren signing on paper makes us weaker... Fortunately it's raced on shale and he's been going better than watt has. Anyone know what's happening with szymon? The way he rode in Poland last Sunday, he won't be allowed out to play for a while I wouldn't think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Only Leicester could keep "strengthening" but getting weaker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 The way he rode in Poland last Sunday, he won't be allowed out to play for a while I wouldn't think! If only he had another team, in a weaker league, to improve his form and confidence Only Leicester could keep "strengthening" but getting weaker! You really think replacing someone that's been as weak as watts been for us is getting weaker? Only weaker in reputation (and our reputation isn't exactly sky high) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Be a shame if watts career comes to an end in the uk on such a downward spiral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Be a shame if watts career comes to an end in the uk on such a downward spiral Totally agree. Davey Watt has been an excellent rider in his career both here and in Poland where he held down a team berth for quite a few seasons. He has been a very good second heat leader in his time and was reliable. But his personal life has dragged him down. He seemed fine pre season but the sport moves on and the days of just turning up at p&p and expect to carry on where you left off are long gone. Out of season riders are not dossing about. They are going to the gym every day, some Watt himself said he couldnt stand, and working on getting their equipment spot on for the start of the season. From day one Davey was off the pace, blaming his gear. But there was more to it than that. He let his personal life affect his riding to such an extent Matt git rid of him. A move to Leicester might have resurrected his season but his scoring was just as bad. I heard that he is back with his Polish girlfriend but it didnt make any difference on track. Perhaps he is skint and can't afford quality gear, though thats just speculation. The same fate that hit Adam Sheilds seems to have hit Watt. Personally, I hope he can continue next season in the PL. He has given the sport in the UK quite a lot and it would be fair for the sport to allow him a couple more seasons at a lower level. Just my opinion of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bump Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Decent signing. His effort and enthusiasm were obvious against Swindon. Quick race winning times too. Not sure what position he'd be riding in though? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Court Hearing Response Posted: 09 Jun 2016 17:06 Letter from David Hemsley to the ACU General Secretary, Gary Thompson, in response to the decision of the disciplinary court hearing: 8th June 2016 Dear Gary Re: Disciplinary Court Hearing: Tuesday 31st May 2016. I am writing to appeal against the decision made during the SCB Disciplinary Court Hearing on 31st May 2016 and confirmed by recorded delivery of mail which was received on the 7th June 2016. Enclosed is a cheque for £300.00 as the appeal fee. This appeal is being submitted on the level of the fine and is broken down into the severn charges as follows, also additional information is required on what action is being implemented by the SCB on its officials to ensure that similar inflammatory actions are not implemented by its officers in the future. The Appeal Grounds Directly against the charges: Article 3.2.5 No comments of mine were fraudulent in deed the actions of the SCB official were completely such, in that he was dishonest to the paying public at Leicester Speedway. Article 3.2.7 The actions of the SCB official were prejudicial to the interests of the sport, namely being dishonest to the public and directly incurring commercial losses to this club which we will seek to reclaim against the fine levied. Finally on the appeal issue, we will be taking up the major health and safety issue, danger and risk of serious injury or potential death to riders by the licence official by not under his own initiative stopping the starting procedure to heat 13 when the licence official had already turned off the floodlights to the start finish straight of the speedway stadium. We will be seeking Council from our insurers Doodson Broking Group Ltd in terms of the proposed action and remedial measures your staff should implement. The level of the fine demonstrates the lack of understanding of the current commercial position of British Speedway in a sustainable position, indeed the actions of the licensed official and the commercial impact of this on Leicester Speedway will be demonstrated through this process with evidence that proves the material and ongoing damage of his error. The scale of the fine set against the average weekly income of a speedway fixture is so disproportionate that it indicates to me that the SCB does not wish to see Leicester Speedway operate again this season and wants to influence a change in Management Structure of the Business. Moreover, I will assert that based upon the commercial and health and safety failings by the SCB directly and indirectly arising from this matter, I will require a full briefing on how the SCB will deal with the appropriate action, training and education of its own officials to ensure that no other members of the BSPA has this issue in the future and our insurers can be informed accordingly to ensure continuity of cover and best practice through continued professional development and learning. To completion I would also wish to make it clear that the manner and content of the publication of the news of the disciplinary action on the BSPAs website was prejudicial to the interests of Leicester Speedway, inaccurate in content and misleading and I will again be seeking recompense going forward against the SCB for this matter, the extent of which can not be fully quantified at this time. Attached to this document is the evidence and report of events that I presented to the BSPA and email communication between myself and Mr Graham Reeve regarding the dates of the appeal. I look forward to hearing from you in due course. Your sincerely David M Hemsley 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 I dIddnt understand any of that but sounds good lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Totally agree. Davey Watt has been an excellent rider in his career both here and in Poland where he held down a team berth for quite a few seasons. He has been a very good second heat leader in his time and was reliable. But his personal life has dragged him down. He seemed fine pre season but the sport moves on and the days of just turning up at p&p and expect to carry on where you left off are long gone. Out of season riders are not dossing about. They are going to the gym every day, some Watt himself said he couldnt stand, and working on getting their equipment spot on for the start of the season. From day one Davey was off the pace, blaming his gear. But there was more to it than that. He let his personal life affect his riding to such an extent Matt git rid of him. A move to Leicester might have resurrected his season but his scoring was just as bad. I heard that he is back with his Polish girlfriend but it didnt make any difference on track. Perhaps he is skint and can't afford quality gear, though thats just speculation. The same fate that hit Adam Sheilds seems to have hit Watt. Personally, I hope he can continue next season in the PL. He has given the sport in the UK quite a lot and it would be fair for the sport to allow him a couple more seasons at a lower level. Just my opinion of course. Adam Shields career was ended basically by injury, but it's more complicated with Davey. Davey has his critics but I can't really fault him in his years for Lakeside, and with hindsight his first two years there may prove to be the Indian Summer of his career , and indeed arguably his best ever two years. His third year with the Hammers was dragged down by injury, personal problems, and having to ride out of position as first heatleader when at best he was only really a second heatleader as Steve says. He was also a very good captain, applying himself to the job as much at Lakeside as he did at Poole. If the BSPA are serious about using the PL as a development league for young up and coming riders then Davey has a hell of a lot to offer and still has a few years left in him to be a valuable captain to any PL club. I, for one, hope we have not seen the last of him in British Speedwáy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 I dIddnt understand any of that but sounds good lol Me neither. Might as well have been written in a foreign language, or perhaps it is Double Dutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Read it again, it's not that complicated, even I get it 😆 Edited June 13, 2016 by Trees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Read it again, it's not that complicated, even I get it 😆 Can you break it down for us thickos:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Court Hearing Response Posted: 09 Jun 2016 17:06 Letter from David Hemsley to the ACU General Secretary, Gary Thompson, in response to the decision of the disciplinary court hearing: 8th June 2016 Dear Gary Re: Disciplinary Court Hearing: Tuesday 31st May 2016. I am writing to appeal against the decision made during the SCB Disciplinary Court Hearing on 31st May 2016 and confirmed by recorded delivery of mail which was received on the 7th June 2016. Enclosed is a cheque for £300.00 as the appeal fee. This appeal is being submitted on the level of the fine and is broken down into the severn charges as follows, also additional information is required on what action is being implemented by the SCB on its officials to ensure that similar inflammatory actions are not implemented by its officers in the future. The Appeal Grounds Directly against the charges: Article 3.2.5 No comments of mine were fraudulent in deed the actions of the SCB official were completely such, in that he was dishonest to the paying public at Leicester Speedway. Article 3.2.7 The actions of the SCB official were prejudicial to the interests of the sport, namely being dishonest to the public and directly incurring commercial losses to this club which we will seek to reclaim against the fine levied. Finally on the appeal issue, we will be taking up the major health and safety issue, danger and risk of serious injury or potential death to riders by the licence official by not under his own initiative stopping the starting procedure to heat 13 when the licence official had already turned off the floodlights to the start finish straight of the speedway stadium. We will be seeking Council from our insurers Doodson Broking Group Ltd in terms of the proposed action and remedial measures your staff should implement. The level of the fine demonstrates the lack of understanding of the current commercial position of British Speedway in a sustainable position, indeed the actions of the licensed official and the commercial impact of this on Leicester Speedway will be demonstrated through this process with evidence that proves the material and ongoing damage of his error. The scale of the fine set against the average weekly income of a speedway fixture is so disproportionate that it indicates to me that the SCB does not wish to see Leicester Speedway operate again this season and wants to influence a change in Management Structure of the Business. Moreover, I will assert that based upon the commercial and health and safety failings by the SCB directly and indirectly arising from this matter, I will require a full briefing on how the SCB will deal with the appropriate action, training and education of its own officials to ensure that no other members of the BSPA has this issue in the future and our insurers can be informed accordingly to ensure continuity of cover and best practice through continued professional development and learning. To completion I would also wish to make it clear that the manner and content of the publication of the news of the disciplinary action on the BSPAs website was prejudicial to the interests of Leicester Speedway, inaccurate in content and misleading and I will again be seeking recompense going forward against the SCB for this matter, the extent of which can not be fully quantified at this time. Attached to this document is the evidence and report of events that I presented to the BSPA and email communication between myself and Mr Graham Reeve regarding the dates of the appeal. I look forward to hearing from you in due course. Your sincerely David M Hemsley A very good appeal letter in my opinion. He has raised a number of issues but in my opinion the one which has the potential to cause the SCB the biggest headache is explaining for the benefit of rider and public safety, what if any ongoing training and assessments ALL referees receive. I believe the insurance company who provide indemnities for British speedway will take a great interest in this and one would hope it will lead to an improvement in the quality of refereeing over coming years. From previous dealings with Gary Thompson, I am confident Mr Hemsley will get a fair appeals hearing.... which I for one will not question the outcome of. Edited June 13, 2016 by jchapman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Seconds out - Round Two. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Totally agree. Davey Watt has been an excellent rider in his career both here and in Poland where he held down a team berth for quite a few seasons. He has been a very good second heat leader in his time and was reliable. But his personal life has dragged him down. He seemed fine pre season but the sport moves on and the days of just turning up at p&p and expect to carry on where you left off are long gone. Out of season riders are not dossing about. They are going to the gym every day, some Watt himself said he couldnt stand, and working on getting their equipment spot on for the start of the season. From day one Davey was off the pace, blaming his gear. But there was more to it than that. He let his personal life affect his riding to such an extent Matt git rid of him. A move to Leicester might have resurrected his season but his scoring was just as bad. I heard that he is back with his Polish girlfriend but it didnt make any difference on track. Perhaps he is skint and can't afford quality gear, though thats just speculation. The same fate that hit Adam Sheilds seems to have hit Watt. Personally, I hope he can continue next season in the PL. He has given the sport in the UK quite a lot and it would be fair for the sport to allow him a couple more seasons at a lower level. Just my opinion of course. A 5.40 average could make him a decent signing for someone later in the season if/when his form improves abroad?! Edited June 13, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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