Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 It is still there but you need to click on the 'News' tab to be able to see it. The ones on the right hand side of the screen are all newer releases. The report is still on the SCB website but I definitely can no longer find it in the BSPA website or Twitter feed which is where the news broke from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsDen Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 So much has happened over the years with so many fall-outs with so many different people that my only surprise is that it's taken this long to come to a head. Having heard from witnessess what occurred, and assuming those accounts are accurate, then he only has himself to blame. He was doing a bit more than 'speaking his mind about his own business interest' as R72 put it. These fines wouldn't be imposed if they were not within the rules and you simply can't behave like he has continually done so with various individuals, and not at some point expect to pay the price for it. Being beligerent, confrontational, dictatorial and egotistical rarely ends well.What an absolute mess for Leicester Speedway and it's loyal supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 No mention of it at all on the Lions Facebook page. I posted it on the supporters club Facebook and it's mysteriously vanished. Head in the sand springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 This is a great shame for our sport and a great shame for a club that managed to rise again after 20 years away from the sport. I will be an even bigger shame if the club closes and the sport is lost again at Leicester, because if that does happen I doubt very much if it would ever start up again, I think that some times even a Pheonix dies. I know the SCB/BPSA where doing thier job, but this seems to be very poorly thought out, with the club having enough problems at the moment, without hitting them with another nail in the coffin lid. A total disgrace, if things at BP go from bad to worse then I just hope that the SCB/BPSA, have a plan B already lined up for a new promoter to take over, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 So much has happened over the years with so many fall-outs with so many different people that my only surprise is that it's taken this long to come to a head. Having heard from witnessess what occurred, and assuming those accounts are accurate, then he only has himself to blame. He was doing a bit more than 'speaking his mind about his own business interest' as R72 put it. These fines wouldn't be imposed if they were not within the rules and you simply can't behave like he has continually done so with various individuals, and not at some point expect to pay the price for it. Being beligerent, confrontational, dictatorial and egotistical rarely ends well. What an absolute mess for Leicester Speedway and it's loyal supporters. Pity that Chapman jnr and Heathen Chemistry didn't read this valuable contribution to this issue before venting the uneducated speens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Pity that Chapman jnr and Heathen Chemistry didn't read this valuable contribution to this issue before venting the uneducated speens. JC only asked a question about having club members on the board. Hardly venting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The big problem at BP for DH is that he doe's not own the land that the stadium sits on. We know that Coventry have tried to work out a track share, that seems to have come up against a brick wall. The SCB/BPSA knew that DH would not even think of paying a fine they gave him. If it comes to the crunch at the end of season, that is if the Lions make it there. The they take away his promoters liceince and the track loses it raceing licieince, he would have very little to sell, bar a track you couldn't race on a wooden fence and a few buildings. In jump Coventry and make an offer well below the £650,00 that DH is asking for the club as it would be useless. I am afraid unless he pays up he is in a catch 69 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Pity that Chapman jnr and Heathen Chemistry didn't read this valuable contribution to this issue before venting the uneducated speens. valuable? thats an opinion.... was he charged with assault, is there a police investigation? beligerant, confrontational, dictorial and egotistical are not ciminal, they are describing someones personality they also describe some of the other promoters, the fine imposed is scandalous , on appeal that will be reduced im sure , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) The big problem at BP for DH is that he doe's not own the land that the stadium sits on. We know that Coventry have tried to work out a track share Do you ? , best tell Mick Horton , that seems to have come up against a brick wall. The SCB/BPSA knew that DH would not even think of paying a fine they gave him Did they , How do you know that ?. If it comes to the crunch at the end of season, that is if the Lions make it there. The they take away his promoters liceince and the track loses it raceing licieince,Track License has nothing to do with promoters license , Unless of course you know something different he would have very little to sell, bar a track you couldn't race on a wooden fence and a few buildings. In jump Coventry and make an offer well below the £650,00.. if it's £650.00 I'll buy it that DH is asking for the club as it would be useless. I am afraid unless he pays up he is in a catch 69 Is that anything like Catch 22 Edited June 8, 2016 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 JC only asked a question about having club members on the board. Hardly venting With innuendo's yes. Obviously has some reason to keep kicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 With innuendo's yes. Obviously has some reason to keep kicking. It was a fair question. Members of a disciplinary panel shouldn't be existing promoters / owners of clubs as they can be accused on the basis of not being impartial 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 With innuendo's yes. Obviously has some reason to keep kicking. Didn't realise mind reading was one of your talents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Didn't realise mind reading was one of your talents Doesn't take much to identify an agenda. You could do it. It was a fair question. Members of a disciplinary panel shouldn't be existing promoters / owners of clubs as they can be accused on the basis of not being impartial Not much point in having a management committee then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Surely the biggest problem at Beaumont Park is that with a blank canvas they failed to create a decent racetrack. Old and much talked over subject I know but if the track had been laid similar to Somerset I seriously doubt any of these problems would be arising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 The big problem at BP for DH is that he doe's not own the land that the stadium sits on. We know that Coventry have tried to work out a track share, that seems to have come up against a brick wall. The SCB/BPSA knew that DH would not even think of paying a fine they gave him. If it comes to the crunch at the end of season, that is if the Lions make it there. The they take away his promoters liceince and the track loses it raceing licieince, he would have very little to sell, bar a track you couldn't race on a wooden fence and a few buildings. In jump Coventry and make an offer well below the £650,00 that DH is asking for the club as it would be useless. I am afraid unless he pays up he is in a catch 69 here. It's not as simple as some folk think. The land on which the stadium is situated and the surrounding land (where the BMX Track and 5 a side football pitches were supposed to be) was leased by Leicester City Council to Beaumont Sports Complex Ltd. who were the company who obtained planning permission for and built the Speedway Track. They in turn let the track to Leicester Speedway Ltd. Mr Hemsley is a director of both companies. Not sure if this helps the discussion or muddies the water even more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Surely the biggest problem at Beaumont Park is that with a blank canvas they failed to create a decent racetrack. Old and much talked over subject I know but if the track had been laid similar to Somerset I seriously doubt any of these problems would be arisingdespite the early season problems, belle vue have shown what can be done with a blank canvas. The NSS is a superb race track with wide bends and numerous racing lines. I'm already looking forward to my second visit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartlett Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Anybody else find it improper that the SCB hearing had two speedway promoters sitting on it with one clearly having an interest in another Elite League team? Totally agree, how can 2 promoters from the BSPA and only one person from the ACU make a decision about a fellow BSPA member. Totally undemocratic, and smacks of conflict of interest. SCB should be totally independent of the BSPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 (edited) Doesn't take much to identify an agenda. You could do it. Not much point in having a management committee then. I'm with JChapman & Danny Smith. Part of the problem is that confidence in BSPA/SCB decision making is so low that when they are accused of malpractice and bias almost everyone gives it credence if not absolutely believes it. We have seen far too many times what a vindictive, spiteful bunch they can be when someone doesn't toe the line and how ludicrously inconsistent their decisions often are, as they use the 'interests of speedway' and rigidly stick to the rulebook by turn without any explanation whatsoever. The simple fact is you have interested parties making decisions - at the very least they can be accused of prejudice even if there is none. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot have independent adjudication in speedway apart from the fact that the BSPA/SCB would be prevented from making crooked and illegal rulings motivated by jealousy and selfishness. That's why we'll never get it. It says everything that a man like David Hemsley - who comes across to me as arrogant and smug - is actually attracting some sympathy. He might well deserve that punishment. The thing is there is absolutely no guarantee at all that if Matt Ford, Alex Harkess or Jon Cook did the same thing they'd also get it. Edited June 8, 2016 by Halifaxtiger 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Doesn't take much to identify an agenda. You could do it. Seems like the only agenda here is you trying to rubbish me..... come on Tsunami tell me who you really are because that will help us connect the dots up? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Surely the biggest problem at Beaumont Park is that with a blank canvas they failed to create a decent racetrack. Old and much talked over subject I know but if the track had been laid similar to Somerset I seriously doubt any of these problems would be arising What in the name of sweet Jesus does that have to do with where a switch is located in the ref's box???? Anyway I think it should be KL shape Simerset is pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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