screm Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Who cares if riders move or guess as long as they don't touch tapes they take the risk. Agree, it seem nowadays that referees don't like riders making to good a start, but surely if the ref has a rider in a race where he knows that likes to take a gamble IMO the referee is quite entitles to either hold the tapes until the rider moves, then let the tapes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Agree, it seem nowadays that referees don't like riders making to good a start, but surely if the ref has a rider in a race where he knows that likes to take a gamble IMO the referee is quite entitles to either hold the tapes until the rider moves, then let the tapes up. The tapes do not go up the instant the ref presses the release, there is a variable delay between pressing the button and the release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 The tapes do not go up the instant the ref presses the release, there is a variable delay between pressing the button and the release. Fair point though not enough to make a difference surely, maybe Coventry need an electrician to sort out the shoddy wiring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 The tapes do not go up the instant the ref presses the release, there is a variable delay between pressing the button and the release. it can't be that variable if some riders does a Kilby and counts between the green light and when the tapes actually go up, It was pretty consistent on Thursday. It should be different for every race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 it can't be that variable if some riders does a Kilby and counts between the green light and when the tapes actually go up, It was pretty consistent on Thursday. It should be different for every race. It is supposed to be different for every race to stop what you say as Kilby and Mad Wellie used to check the ref out and count the time between the green light and tapes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Apologies for joining the party late here but I've only got round to watching this meeting. I'm not a big fan of Gary Havelock to start with, but to hear him call for Kildemand to be thrown out the meeting is to me the equivalent of the football players who wave imaginary cards and surround referees to try and get opponents sent off. Really get annoyed when I see that. Kildemand was in the wrong and should have fined for his behaviour. It was obviously deliberate. Please don't go down the same road as football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Apologies for joining the party late here but I've only got round to watching this meeting. I'm not a big fan of Gary Havelock to start with, but to hear him call for Kildemand to be thrown out the meeting is to me the equivalent of the football players who wave imaginary cards and surround referees to try and get opponents sent off. Really get annoyed when I see that. Kildemand was in the wrong and should have fined for his behaviour. It was obviously deliberate. Please don't go down the same road as football. He said it to the TV camera when asked his opinion. It's nothing like footballers and referees. And I'm not fan of Havvy either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 He said it to the TV camera when asked his opinion. It's nothing like footballers and referees. And I'm not fan of Havvy either. Doesn't matter when or where he said it, I hate to see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Doesn't matter when or where he said it, I hate to see it. So we have had Sky TV interviewing managers for 16 years now and asking for their opinion on an incident and you have just decided you don't like it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 So we have had Sky TV interviewing managers for 16 years now and asking for their opinion on an incident and you have just decided you don't like it? No, I don't like the fact he is trying to get a rider thrown out of a meeting. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, just don't like that sort of tactic. Anyway, he first said it while looking at the TV monitor in the pits, as soon as he saw there was a camera pointing at him, he did a throat-slitting gesture and said "throw him out the meeting". He then said it to Chris Louis in the interview. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Apologies for joining the party late here but I've only got round to watching this meeting. I'm not a big fan of Gary Havelock to start with, but to hear him call for Kildemand to be thrown out the meeting is to me the equivalent of the football players who wave imaginary cards and surround referees to try and get opponents sent off. Really get annoyed when I see that. Kildemand was in the wrong and should have fined for his behaviour. It was obviously deliberate. Please don't go down the same road as football. Too late for that mate, 'diving' in speedway has been here for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Too late for that mate, 'diving' in speedway has been here for years. I've heard a few riders accuse opponents of this lately and I would hate to see this coming into speedway, but one thing I can't understand why you would want to fall off a fast bike, even if it is to get an opponent excluded. It's not like falling on grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Depends how they do it I should think. Isn't it one of the first things new riders have to learn - how to lay the bike down or don't they bother these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I've heard a few riders accuse opponents of this lately and I would hate to see this coming into speedway, but one thing I can't understand why you would want to fall off a fast bike, even if it is to get an opponent excluded. It's not like falling on grass. Kildemand's wasn't fast when he went down on Wednesday. He slowed as he went into the corner, put his foot down and slid off. He knew what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I've heard a few riders accuse opponents of this lately and I would hate to see this coming into speedway, but one thing I can't understand why you would want to fall off a fast bike, even if it is to get an opponent excluded. It's not like falling on grass. It's not coming into speedway. It's been part of speedway for years. I remember there being s hoo haa at Oxford once when Ali Stevens did it when Swindon were on a 5-1. It's one of those things you boo when the opposition do but are secretly quite pleased about when your own side do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 On the subject of riders falling off, although this wasn't on purpose (well hopefully not!) when Hans was leading heat 15 and Coventry were on a 5-1 to get a bonus point, did a big cheer go up from Swindon fans? Not surprised if there was but I know a lot of fans don't like anyone cheering if a rider crashes. Hard not to though when it means your team gets the full amount of points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 I helped out at Eastbourne a couple of times in the mid-eighties where the starting gate was controlled by a mechanical system using a lever, not a switch. One prominent ref showed me how he'd learned how to give the lever the necessary thump without moving his upper arm since certain star Eagles riders were known to watch the refs' shoulder move so they could anticipate the start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 It's not coming into speedway. It's been part of speedway for years. I remember there being s hoo haa at Oxford once when Ali Stevens did it when Swindon were on a 5-1. It's one of those things you boo when the opposition do but are secretly quite pleased about when your own side do it. yip, I know that has been part of speedway for years and yes it does anger a lot of fans. The part of it that really annoyed me was Gary Havelock looking at the cameras and wanting Kildemand thrown out the meeting. I'm all for a rider being fined in a case like that, it was obvious he knew what he was doing. The little I watch of football, my pet hate is when I see players trying to influence referees into sending off an opponent. That's what Havelock reminded me of. On the subject of riders falling off, although this wasn't on purpose (well hopefully not!) when Hans was leading heat 15 and Coventry were on a 5-1 to get a bonus point, did a big cheer go up from Swindon fans? Not surprised if there was but I know a lot of fans don't like anyone cheering if a rider crashes. Hard not to though when it means your team gets the full amount of points. My other pet hate about the sport. Especially in the light of injuries in the sport. I suppose it can be an immediate action and I know there is a difference between a spectacular crash and a rider simply sliding off, but I just hate anybody cheering a crash of any kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 On the subject of riders falling off, although this wasn't on purpose (well hopefully not!) when Hans was leading heat 15 and Coventry were on a 5-1 to get a bonus point, did a big cheer go up from Swindon fans? Not surprised if there was but I know a lot of fans don't like anyone cheering if a rider crashes. Hard not to though when it means your team gets the full amount of points. Yeah a few idiots did at our place on Thursday. Wasn't happy with it. Fair enough if that was the semi final and it put us through but it was a meaningless league match and Hans is popular at Swindon. Just pathetic IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 7, 2015 Report Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yeah a few idiots did at our place on Thursday. Wasn't happy with it. Fair enough if that was the semi final and it put us through but it was a meaningless league match and Hans is popular at Swindon. Just pathetic IMO. First second halves, pairs, four team tournaments and individuals were meaningless, now some league matches are apparently meaningless. At what point do speedway supporters stop trying to talk their sport out of existence? Whatever happened to enjoying a good night's speedway racing? No wonder the sport's falling apart if only part of the remaining short season isn't 'meaningless'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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