Navigator1900 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I really wonder if the FIM should consider to make neck braces mandatory in our beloved sport. From the top riders as far as I know only Emil Sayfutdinov and Michael Jepsen-Jensen do wear it. http://www.dirtrider.com/features/the-neck-brace-should-you-wear-one Darcy Ward's accident is only the last of to many bad accident with severe neck injuries. Feedback of any kind will be interesting to read. I made my request already directly to Philip Rising and Kelvin Tatum. Navigator Rolf from Switzerland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I have a week memory of seeing Grigorij Laguta use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 thank you Ghostwalker, that makes still only 3 top riders though .... would like to hear opinions of these 3 guys about this subject ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I really wonder if the FIM should consider to make neck braces mandatory in our beloved sport. From the top riders as far as I know only Emil Sayfutdinov and Michael Jepsen-Jensen do wear it. http://www.dirtrider.com/features/the-neck-brace-should-you-wear-one Darcy Ward's accident is only the last of to many bad accident with severe neck injuries. Feedback of any kind will be interesting to read. I made my request already directly to Philip Rising and Kelvin Tatum. Navigator Rolf from Switzerland There's a thread on this in the general section. Much like with the airfence, there's no hard scientific evidence that a neck brace is a saviour. Now that I've got you wound up, show me the tests that report that the people that were thrown off a moving motorcycle in high speeds had a higher rate of walking away with bruising if they had a neckbrace. It's all opinions... If they were THAT good, everyone would have been wearing them for the past 5 years already. Everyone is not, so somethings up... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 There's a thread on this in the general section. Much like with the airfence, there's no hard scientific evidence that a neck brace is a saviour. Now that I've got you wound up, show me the tests that report that the people that were thrown off a moving motorcycle in high speeds had a higher rate of walking away with bruising if they had a neckbrace. It's all opinions... If they were THAT good, everyone would have been wearing them for the past 5 years already. Everyone is not, so somethings up... What a senseless statement. Are you honestly saying that you would prefer to go head first into a solid fence/support post, rather than an air fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 What a senseless statement. Are you honestly saying that you would prefer to go head first into a solid fence/support post, rather than an air fence.TBF, that's not what he said. He was right that there is no scientific evidence. And you'll never get any for this kind of equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 What a senseless statement. Are you honestly saying that you would prefer to go head first into a solid fence/support post, rather than an air fence.Not sure if you mean me being stupid or without feelings...To an airfence, of course. Things happen though, its quite rare to hit the fence or airfence head first. And by head first I mean like a dart that hits the board with just a forward momentum. And even with airfences things have happened. They did not stop injuries all together. They've saved some and even caused some. Just read that there's an UK track thats making braces mandatory for its riders. What they gonna do when the first rider goes through the fence after hitting someone because he couldnt move his head like he's learned how it can move and did not see the other one coming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Riders know the risks of racing. Personal choice must come into the decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Had Nicki P been wearing a neck brace in heat 18 in Gorzow GP, what would have happened? Nicki one way, head the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 another 2 riders did wear a neck brace last nigh: Jason Doyle and Bartosz Zmarzlik. As far as I have heard many Motocross riders use it for years. FIM really should take care of this subject. Please read the link: www.dirtrider in my topic above ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I really wonder if the FIM should consider to make neck braces mandatory in our beloved sport. From the top riders as far as I know only Emil Sayfutdinov and Michael Jepsen-Jensen do wear it. http://www.dirtrider.com/features/the-neck-brace-should-you-wear-one Darcy Ward's accident is only the last of to many bad accident with severe neck injuries. Feedback of any kind will be interesting to read. I made my request already directly to Philip Rising and Kelvin Tatum. Navigator Rolf from Switzerland AND there will be a reply in SS this week but the gist is that neck braces aren't the answer to every crash of this sort and the fact that not every rider uses one already tells its own story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Thank you for your answer Philip and your effort, to bring up this subject. Nevertheless, I fully agree that NB's are not the perfect answer, but worth trying. I would like to hear opinions of top Motocross-riders about it.Or have a look a Formula 1 Hans system ... in the beginning many top drivers didn't like it but after while got used to it .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 AND there will be a reply in SS this week but the gist is that neck braces aren't the answer to every crash of this sort and the fact that not every rider uses one already tells its own story. Aren't they like air fences though? More positive than negative! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Aren't they like air fences though? More positive than negative! MORE SGP riders don't wear them than do so presume that would be a no. All riders want air-fences ... although that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvements 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Riders know the risks of racing. Personal choice must come into the decision. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 When they first started to be used Nicki Pedersen used one, certainly in the pre season meeting at Poole, but then stopped. Greg Hancock also used temporarily after he crashed in Denmark a few years ago when Martin Vaculik ran into him but again didn't continue with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Aren't they like air fences though? More positive than negative! On our forum over here one chap states, that the airfence's are part of the problem. These young guns of the modern world are somewhat used to hitting the airfence and standing up 5 mins later to just dust themselves and move on. The risks that riders take today are bigger than 15 years ago. I remember TRick saying ten years ago, that the next generation was already relying too much on the APD's and taking bigger risks. Now we have riders like Zmarzlik who's probably never even ridden on a track without an APD. Not sure but it's possible. So I guess it all depends on the time of day, which one is it more... Opinions and more opinions... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I would say that's not just the airfences, it's the body armor, and belief in modern medicine too - but yes the airfences are a big deal. To suggest anything other then having the airfences is ludicrous though. For me the issues are, making sure the rider dont slide under the Airfence and hit a solid wall behind and how do we make the fences on the straights more forgiving? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 It struck me when spectating at Glasgow yesterday that, even though we can't have air fences down the straights, there must be a better option. The fence at Glasgow funnily enough was almost mesh, with the usual tyres/flexible posts behind it, you wouldn't want to hit it but it'd probably absorb some impact anyway. The answer is surely not having a solid wooden fence running along the straight of a speedway track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) MORE SGP riders don't wear them than do so presume that would be a no. All riders want air-fences ... although that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvements But the majority have been brought up racing without them so are not used to them. Would it take a while to get the right one and have it feel ok though? Seem to remember that when Emil started with them he had to modify his to get it feeling right.? Do riders really ride harder now as they have the "protection" of an airfence? probably.... Edited August 31, 2015 by 2ndbendbeerhut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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