Tom Farndon...the Greatest Speedway Rider Of Them All

[iris123]

Funny thing is i go on the old threads with Norbold, Gustix, TWK, Steve Roberts, Gresham, BL65 and endless others no problems with them.All of those i respect YOU forget it i dont respect you never will.Iris you need to let it go you are making a complete co.k of yourself.Now look back you got all EMOTIONAL because i said Dave Morton was a good rider in his own right before he had his bad injury.Really was that worth having a heart attack over ? now jot on Iris and annoy someone else not Gustix though.

Just shows your complete lack of understanding.You are the one who gets all emotional,like a spoilt kid at the checkouts.Just look how upset you get when someone posts a top 20 list and has your favourite in the "wrong" spot You can disagree with people without calling them names

 

Totally ignored my questions again Sid.Are they too hard for ya?

 

Just to remind you.Here is my post that sent your blood pressure sky high.A less provocative post i have hardly made in my entire BSF career!!!!

 

 

Could you please explain why in your words "the theme currently being discussed here have been misunderstood"?I don't see anything in the current discussion saying Norbold thinks Farndon was the best

Edited December 13, 2016 by iris123

[Sidney the robin]

Just shows your complete lack of understanding.You are the one who gets all emotional,like a spoilt kid at the checkouts.Just look how upset you get when someone posts a top 20 list and has your favourite in the "wrong" spot You can disagree with people without calling them names

 

Totally ignored my questions again Sid.Are they too hard for ya?

 

Just to remind you.Here is my post that sent your blood pressure sky high.A less provocative post i have hardly made in my entire BSF career!!!!

I am laughing my head off here, your blood pressure is hitting the roof take it easy Iris.😅😅😆

[iris123]

I am laughing my head off here, your blood pressure is hitting the roof take it easy Iris.

More like......

 

Still avoiding answering my questions,Sid

[norbold]

This was such a good thread once.....

[iris123]

A meeting I would enjoy watching in my fantasy world would be:

 

1.Spouts Elder

2. Lionel Van Praag

3. Bluey Wilkinson

4. Eric Langton Ray Tauser

5. Jack Parker Vic Huxley

6. Jack Young

7. Jack Milne

8. Freddie Williams

9. Ronnie Moore

10. Ove Fundin

11. Peter Craven

12. Barry Briggs

13. Bjorn Knutsson Billy Lamont

14. Tommy Farndon

15. Igor Plechanov

16. Tommy Price Vic Duggan

 

What a meeting that would be!

My meeting

[The White Knight]

I would also include Vic Duggan and Spit Waterman.

I don't think he does you know. :unsure:

 

:rofl:

[chunky]

This was such a good thread once.....

Wow! You have a good memory!

I don't think he does you know. :unsure:

 

:rofl:

What about that guy from Cradley? Saliva Brown???

 

Steve

Edited December 13, 2016 by chunky

[iris123]

Wow! You have a good memory!

 

We could move on,as i have attempted to do or just carry on going round and round.Doesn't really bother me either way,but i know which one i prefer

[Guest]

A word of advice from Norbold:

Years Gone By

 

The Sidney And Iris Thread

 

Lucky me! I saw Eric Langton, Jack Parker and Lionel Van Praag in action over the 1946 and 1947 seasons. Langton and Van Praag retired from British speedway at the end of the 1947 season but Parker continued racing into the 1950s.

 

 

Langton was he nearly World Champion? a very controversial year Eric/Van Praag had a run off Langton broke the tapes but Van Praag insisted Langton was not to be excluded as he did not win the title on default so was aloud back in.Langton led the run off until the last bend until Van Praag darted through a small gap to grab the title.That year i believe Bluey Wilkinson should of been crowned WC but a countback of bonus points put Langton/Van Praag in a run off.

 

I like your comment Sidney the robin - and I wonder just how intense the atmosphere was at Wembley while all this was happening? As we know, Bluey Wilkinson won the 1938 World Championship, then retired to promote at Sheffield in 1939.

​When the World Championship was revived in 1949, the bonus points system was not continued.

Perhaps at some future time we can have a BSF debate on the merits of the bonus points system and also "what was wrong with it!'

Edited December 13, 2016 by Guest

[steve roberts]

A word of advice from Norbold:

Years Gone By

 

The Sidney And Iris Thread

 

 

 

I like your comment Sidney the robin - and I wonder just how intense the atmosphere was at Wembley while all this was happening? As we know, Bluey Wilkinson won the 1938 World Championship, then retired to promote at Sheffield in 1939.

​When the World Championship was revived in 1949, the bonus points system was not continued.

Perhaps at some future time we can have a BSF debate on the merits of the bonus points system and also "what was wrong with it!'

The bonus point issue is interesting. From my understanding they were points carried over from previous rounds...bit like the present GP system or certainly the Grand Prix Tournament that ran during the seventies culminating with a Grand Final whereby points were carried over from the qualifying rounds.

Edited December 14, 2016 by steve roberts

[iris123]

Trying to get this thread back on topic,does anyone have the averages of Tom Farndon and the top say 10 riders in the leagues at the time we are discussing?How many years was Tom at the top?

[Sidney the robin]

This was such a good thread once.....

I opologize Norbold/Chunky yes it has been a great thread and yes either way it does matter to me sorry again.

[Guest]

I opologize Norbold/Chunky yes it has been a great thread and yes either way it does matter to me sorry again.

 

What for and why are you apologising Sidney the robin? As I see it you have done no more than participate in a thread and expressed your opinion. It was not you who posted a completely unnecessary and unrelated to the topic cartoon. That was 'an amazing' addition to the thread but completely out of context in regard to Tommy Farndon.

Here is a favourite quotation of mine in regard to the use - or otherwise of apologies -and one that you should take note of IMO - and don't be deterred by what happened to Jimmy Hoffa:

"I may have many faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." - Jimmy Hoffa

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa

Edited December 14, 2016 by Guest

[norbold]

Trying to get this thread back on topic,does anyone have the averages of Tom Farndon and the top say 10 riders in the leagues at the time we are discussing?How many years was Tom at the top?

I have Tom's leagueaverages:

 

1929: 7.52

1930: 8.30

1931: 6.80

1932: 8.08

1933: 9.56

1934: 10.06

1935: 9.74

[iris123]

I have Tom's leagueaverages:

 

1929: 7.52

1930: 8.30

1931: 6.80

1932: 8.08

1933: 9.56

1934: 10.06

1935: 9.74

Thanks Norbold.I did find some,but not all.1934 + 1935 were missing.So Tom had 3 good seasons where he was up with the very elite.

One of the riders of the time who seems to be often forgotten is Harry Whitfield.Won one of the unofficial world titles in Australia.Mentioned on wikepedia as one of the first home riders to challenge the dominance of the Australians

 

What would be interesting looking at the Test results from that period is to name the best England test team of the 1930s as there seem to be an amazing number of riders who were in those tests.Also looking at the 1931 test v Australia at Wembley both Fandon and Whitfield got 2 points from 2 rides,but 21 riders were picked.Obviously horses for courses and local riders to help boost the crowd.Even Australia named a fair few.What seems to be noticeable is the Australians have a couple of riders who are very constant with their good scores,whilst Englands riders are hot and cold with say the exception of 'Ginger' Lees and Eric Langton/'Tiger' Stevenson.On the face of it it looks like the competition was fairly even and there were a lot of riders at a similar level,rather than today with a few elite riders

 

I'd say just looking at the England v Australia tests i would pick from the 1930(first official series)-1939

 

England

F.Varey

J.Parker

E.Langton

Ginger Lees

j:Abbott

T.Farndon

B.Kitchen

an other....hard to find another candidate that done well really

 

Australia

V.Huxley

M.Grosskreutz

F.Arthur

D.case

Bluey Wilkinson

R.Johnson

L.V.Praag

B.Lamont(probably a bit of bias there)

Edited December 14, 2016 by iris123

[Guest]

No,you were just making yourself look a plonker as usual.Then you come out with utter crap that i was saying Dave was a mug.Trouble with you Sid is you can't back anything up when challenged.You won't be able to find a quote from me saying or even suggesting Dave was a mug because it was bullrubbish what you posted.You have had tons of arguments with Bwitcher where you say forget the averages,then just come out with some stupid argument quoting a 1976 average,which had no real relevance to my post.

 

I ain't taking any lectures from you Sid.You are known to offer to punch peoples light sout when you start losing an argument.You have been banned a couple of times i'd guess and maybe not as many times as gustix or maybe not got quite so many warning poins as gustix,but probably having a decent race between the two of you.

 

As i asked before,look back at gusto's post and tell me what he was on about.Then look back at my post and tell me what was wrong with asking the question i did.There was nothing else in that post other than asking for clarification.Something gustix seems to ask at least once a day.If it is good for the Goose it is good for the Gander,surely

 

 

Now if the two of you can't stand discussion and being questioned then this is obviously not the place for you.Just have a read of SCB's excellent thread in the general speedway section........

 

 

Funny thing is i go on the old threads with Norbold, Gustix, TWK, Steve Roberts, Gresham, BL65 and endless others no problems with them.All of those i respect YOU forget it i dont respect you never will.Iris you need to let it go you are making a complete co.k of yourself.Now look back you got all EMOTIONAL because i said Dave Morton was a good rider in his own right before he had his bad injury.Really was that worth having a heart attack over ? now jot on Iris and annoy someone else not Gustix though.

 

That's an interesting response on your part Sidney the robin. And I see you also give out some excellent advice late in your Post.

[Sidney the robin]

I don't know if Norbold or Gustix would know the answer to this.? Was it just rumour or proved that Van Pragg went back on his word in the run/off with Langton.And was Bluey really unlucky with the BP issue going against him for the title either way really shows how good a rider Langton was in a tough era.

[norbold]

Thanks Norbold.I did find some,but not all.1934 + 1935 were missing.So Tom had 3 good seasons where he was up with the very elite.

One of the riders of the time who seems to be often forgotten is Harry Whitfield.Won one of the unofficial world titles in Australia.Mentioned on wikepedia as one of the first home riders to challenge the dominance of the Australians

 

What would be interesting looking at the Test results from that period is to name the best England test team of the 1930s as there seem to be an amazing number of riders who were in those tests.Also looking at the 1931 test v Australia at Wembley both Fandon and Whitfield got 2 points from 2 rides,but 21 riders were picked.Obviously horses for courses and local riders to help boost the crowd.Even Australia named a fair few.What seems to be noticeable is the Australians have a couple of riders who are very constant with their good scores,whilst Englands riders are hot and cold with say the exception of 'Ginger' Lees and Eric Langton/'Tiger' Stevenson.On the face of it it looks like the competition was fairly even and there were a lot of riders at a similar level,rather than today with a few elite riders

 

I'd say just looking at the England v Australia tests i would pick from the 1930(first official series)-1939

 

England

F.Varey

J.Parker

E.Langton

Ginger Lees

j:Abbott

T.Farndon

B.Kitchen

an other....hard to find another candidate that done well really

I think Jim Kempster, Roger Frogley and Jack Parker were the first to challenge the dominance of the Australian riders. Harry Whitfield was good, but not really that good!

 

I'd go for Frank Charles for the last place. In fact probably above Joe Abbott. There's also Colin Watson, Jack Ormston, Tiger Stevenson and Arthur Atkinson to consider.

I don't know if Norbold or Gustix would know the answer to this.? Was it just rumour or proved that Van Pragg went back on his word in the run/off with Langton.And was Bluey really unlucky with the BP issue going against him for the title either way really shows how good a rider Langton was in a tough era.

I've already covered this. #49 above.

Edited December 14, 2016 by norbold

[iris123]

I think Jim Kempster, Roger Frogley and Jack Parker were the first to challenge the dominance of the Australian riders. Harry Whitfield was good, but not really that good!

 

I'd go for Frank Charles for the last place. In fact probably above Joe Abbott. There's also Colin Watson, Jack Ormston, Tiger Stevenson and Arthur Atkinson to consider.

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I don't know how i missed out Stevenson having already mentioned him!!! But yes,Frank Charles had a great series in 1936 and the others you mentioned also done well in both the tests and the league averages as i think Wal Phillips.All at least had one very good year.Whitfield it seems had a good winter season in Australia not just winning the "world title" but not much else back home it seems

[Guest]

I don't know if Norbold or Gustix would know the answer to this.? Was it just rumour or proved that Van Pragg went back on his word in the run/off with Langton.And was Bluey really unlucky with the BP issue going against him for the title either way really shows how good a rider Langton was in a tough era.

 

Interesting comment Sidney the robin. I saw Eric Langton in the 1946 and 1947 seasons and he was then very much among the top riders of that era. And his then Belle Vue team mate Jack Parker also rated him highly - as the item in the Link shows.

Despite claims made on behalf of Tom Farndon, I would consider Langton as the better of the two riders. And that would appear to be the opinion also put forward by Simon Lewis in the accompany Link.

​Perhaps - if they are carried - a search through SPEEDWAY RESEARCHER for Belle Vue and Crystal Palace match details for the early 1930s might have a bearing on how Langton matched against Farndon?

Here is the Eric Langton story written by Simon Lewis:

http://www.motorsport-fanatic.co.uk/speedway-langton.htm

Edited December 14, 2016 by Guest