Slovenian Gp Saturday 12th September 2015

[nw42]

Was Tai being naughtily rude in his interview just prior to the first race or, did it just by chance sound like a line from a Carry On film??

 

 

Is this a quiz? I can't remember what he said, was it about knockers?

[keepturningleft]

Exact quote:

 

"I was have to do everything from the back and I don't really enjoy doing that, although I'm sure everyone at home does"

 

oo er missus!

[BWitcher]

Mauger always had better equipment than his rivals. Penhall Nielsen gundersen Lee always seemed to have bikes that were quicker than anyone else's.

To be world champ you've always needed a combination of ability, mental toughness and good equipment - not much has changed.

 

Spot on!

 

Folk once again moaning about things that haven't changed for years.

Mauger may of had good kit but he didnot end up half a lap ahead that is the engine not the rider skill IMO

 

 

He won by big margins many times.

As did Nielsen, as did Rickardsson. As did Ermolenko at his best and all other top riders over the years.

Totally agree, i'm not taking anything away from just how good PJR engines are, but like i have said before, a lot of credit should all so go down to Jacko for dialing them in from the feedback that Tai gives him!

 

Here lies the key!

 

Tai didn't look very quick in his first couple of rides, Kildemand looked by far the quickest.

 

Some tweeks to the setup were made to get it dialled in.

[sommelier]

 

Spot on!

 

Folk once again moaning about things that haven't changed for years.

 

He won by big margins many times.

As did Nielsen, as did Rickardsson. As did Ermolenko at his best and all other top riders over the years.

 

Here lies the key!

 

Tai didn't look very quick in his first couple of rides, Kildemand looked by far the quickest.

 

Some tweeks to the setup were made to get it dialled in.

Yes, so over looked is TEAM Woffinden, the complete package in ALL departments

[PHILIPRISING]

Mauger may of had good kit but he didnot end up half a lap ahead that is the engine not the rider skill IMO

So there are ONLY two riders in the world that can use a throttle never seen Peter Karlsson ride sorry Phil you way off the mark here .If given the chance to ride such super quick bikes the the rest of the riders may actually do the same and use throttle control but GM's have to be ridden to the stop ( so I am informed )andthey hang off trying to keep up with the rocket ships.

LAST time I looked Peter Karlsson wasn't in the GPs. Kaspzrak has PJR engines, Jonsson tried them. GMs come in kit form and are assembled by a number of different tuners who attempt to set them up in a way which suits the riders they are working for. Many of the basic GM components are in fact discarded in some cases. So you cannot say that all GMs have to be ridden to the stop or that they are the same.

 

Peter Johns has possibly the most sophisticated testing equipment and manages to produce exactly what Tai and Greg require. But that would not necessarily suit a Harris or Holder. Pedersen likes to have maximum revs.

 

Woffinden's riding ability was never better showcased on Saturday in my view. At some stages he was riding one handed while tearing off his goggle tear offs while entering the corners and passing people.

 

If you could stand on a corner at a GP practice and close your eyes and just listen within a few minutes you would be able to name which group of riders were on the track. The vast majority ride flat out, trying to get as many revs as possible, even from the start. Others, like Hancock and Woffinden, produce a totally different sound.

[iris123]

Yesterday just underlines the fact that Kildemand is a much better GP rider than Chris Harris.Nothing "so called" about it,sadly

[ColinMills]

Yesterday just underlines the fact that Kildemand is a much better GP rider than Chris Harris.Nothing "so called" about it,sadly

could think of more like most people, but harris has earned his spot, we just gotta put up with yet another seasons wasted spot

[Blazeaway]

Monster sponsored rider with decent lead in world championship beaten by monster sponsored rider who needs points for second place. All in a series sponsored by monster. What a coincidence...

[ColinMills]

?????? and? a rider desperate for the title beat a rider protecting his lead? simple!

[customhouseregular]

Monster sponsored rider with decent lead in world championship beaten by monster sponsored rider who needs points for second place. All in a series sponsored by monster. What a coincidence...

Are you seriously suggesting Tai let Greg win?.

 

You will be in a minority of one if you are.

[speedwaysliders]

PROBABLY due to the fact that Tai and Greg actually use the throttle. You can see it even on the TV. The super-fast PJR engines suit them rather than those who screw it on from the start and leave it that way. Also the way they ride, traditional, conventional style, no hanging off the bike, legs trailing, etc, so when they hit a rough bit on the track they remain in control.

 

Andreas Jonsson has had FIVE different tuners (including one twice) this year, one GP rider has spent over 50,000 euros on engines alone. They seem to ignore the possibility that it might actually be the rider rather than his equipment.

Phillip is there any reason why the fans cant get simple tech details for the start of a GP? .Ie riders engine Tuner,make of tyres used ect.Simple stuff,that when im sitting at home i dont have to think for example is Greg on a diff tyre to anyone else,GM comes in kit form to the tuner,so it would be nice to see which tuner has got the best out of a GM engine on the night.It cant be that hard surely to find out before the racing starts.I know riders chop and change but just get someone on the night to find out which engine tuners are doing which bikes.Also its been a while now about the new engine chris Harris in trying,has it been serviced yet or has it been left alone as that was the selling point in the first place.Thanks in advance.

Edited September 13, 2015 by speedwaysliders

[FAST GATER]

LAST time I looked Peter Karlsson wasn't in the GPs. Kaspzrak has PJR engines, Jonsson tried them. GMs come in kit form and are assembled by a number of different tuners who attempt to set them up in a way which suits the riders they are working for. Many of the basic GM components are in fact discarded in some cases. So you cannot say that all GMs have to be ridden to the stop or that they are the same.

 

Peter Johns has possibly the most sophisticated testing equipment and manages to produce exactly what Tai and Greg require. But that would not necessarily suit a Harris or Holder. Pedersen likes to have maximum revs.

 

Woffinden's riding ability was never better showcased on Saturday in my view. At some stages he was riding one handed while tearing off his goggle tear offs while entering the corners and passing people.

 

If you could stand on a corner at a GP practice and close your eyes and just listen within a few minutes you would be able to name which group of riders were on the track. The vast majority ride flat out, trying to get as many revs as possible, even from the start. Others, like Hancock and Woffinden, produce a totally different sound.

I never said PK was a GP rider merely that he had throttle control that you say most of the other riders in the world except Tai and Greg appear not to have

 

Tai was in a class of his own last night I would just like to see him against more equal tuned bikes other than Greg ,I want him to be Champ but by half wheel not half a lap.

[PHILIPRISING]

NO reason at all really. But are you talking about via the TV commentators or in SS? Trouble is some of them change from one GP to the next! Kelvin Tatum likes to harvest all this information during practice but I don't think he has ever been encouraged to pass it on to viewers.

 

The GTR engines Harris has been using are still being modified as they attempt to find the right set-up but so far have required no basic servicing. Both Maciej Janowski and Matej Zagar tried them last week. Zagar was impressed but said it would require a different basic set-up for his style and Janowski's trial was I believe curtailed through weather.

[ColinMills]

very old argument about equipment.....ricko finished so far ahead I was filling in my programme before the other 3 crossed the line!.....if woffy could gate, he"d be the same

[PHILIPRISING]

I never said PK was a GP rider merely that he had throttle control that you say most of the other riders in the world except Tai and Greg appear not to have

 

Tai was in a class of his own last night I would just like to see him against more equal tuned bikes other than Greg ,I want him to be Champ but by half wheel not half a lap.

KILDEMAND was pretty quick too.

[FAST GATER]

KILDEMAND was pretty quick too.

You are right I just want the racing to be about the riders not the tuners as much as possible .

[f-s-p]

KILDEMAND was pretty quick too.

And he didnt fall once, did he? Thats something new!

[Dave the Mic]

Monster sponsored rider with decent lead in world championship beaten by monster sponsored rider who needs points for second place. All in a series sponsored by monster. What a coincidence...

Think you are looking for an invisible conspiracy theory - you do both great riders a massive disservice. Before last night's GP, Tai was 20+ points ahead & in terms of the complete package he is a street ahead of everyone. As such he is riding a percentage game & has earned the right do that by being by some distance the best rider around. He didn't need to catch Greg & rightly settled for what he had with minimum risk. As for Greg, obviously his career shows he needs points handed to him on a plate - his 3 world titles demonstrate that. It could just have been that in the last few weeks he has got it all dialled in & last night it came together. Get over yourself.

could think of more like most people, but harris has earned his spot, we just gotta put up with yet another seasons wasted spot

The difference is, Harris qualified fair & square, something that, as yet, Kildemand has been unable to do. If Kildemand, or any other rider you care to name, could have beaten Harris in Rybnik, then they would deserve a place. As it is, only Zmarzlik & Pawlicki managed it & guess what - they earned their place in next years series, just as Bomber has. Change the record.

I never said PK was a GP rider merely that he had throttle control that you say most of the other riders in the world except Tai and Greg appear not to have

 

Tai was in a class of his own last night I would just like to see him against more equal tuned bikes other than Greg ,I want him to be Champ but by half wheel not half a lap.

It has never been any different. The best riders in their day win by a large margin many, many times. Someone said Ivan never did - rubbish. I cut my speedway teeth at Exeter in the 70's & saw Ivan strut his stuff for 4 seasons & many was the time he was half a lap in front after 4 laps. The same can be said of all the great riders, eras old & new.

 

In any case, all the bikes are rocket ships these days, but it just so happens that some riders know exactly how to get the best from them. I too, would love to see Tai as world champ & for one, am perfectly happy the way he is doing it - please keep missing the gate Tai!!!

Edited September 13, 2015 by Dave the Mic

[robert72]

no they don't as he was quite easily beaten by Hancock twice and in the last gp as well. All you do is troll

Please tell me your experience setting bikes up and racing them and possibly I may take notice of your stupid reply, oops I forgot you haven't done either so you talk crap as you have no knowledge.

 

I think it also suited tai coming second to his monster mate, monster riders now 1 & 2 in the world equals more money for both riders.

[OveFundinFan]

Think you are looking for an invisible conspiracy theory you do both great riders a massive disservice. Before last night's GP, Tai was 20+ points ahead & in terms of the complete package he is a street ahead of everyone & as such he is riding a percentage game & has earned the right do that by being by some distance the best rider around. He didn't need to catch Greg & rightly settled for what he had with minimum risk. As for Greg, obviously his career shows he needs points handed to him on a plate - his 3 world titles demonstrate that. It could just have been that in the last few weeks he has got it all dialled in & last night it came together. Get over yourself.

 

but Tai chased Nicki P down and passed him on the line, which did Greg a big favour because its an extra point Greg is ahead of NP. At the start of last night Greg was behind NP now he is a few points ahead. A Monster 1,2 in the world championship is better then a 1,3

The difference is, Harris qualified fair & square, something that, as yet, Kildemand has been unable to do. If Kildemand, or any other rider you care to name, could have beaten Harris in Rybnik, then they would deserve a place. As it is, only Zmarzlik & Pawlicki managed it & guess what - they earned their place in next years series, just as Bomber has. Change the record.

 

I'm afraid the records not been changed yet.

After coming 3rd in the Challenge final, I though CH would have been on fire last night, (or perhaps he was!), and that's his limit these days. I know he won a GP in 2007, and that takes some doing so hats off to him, but it seems obvious he has hit a plateau and at his point in his career it probably wont get better. So for him to keep saying he still wants to be world champ is like him living in cloud cuckoo land. I know he raced for his points and qualified by his efforts, but I cannot think anything else except a waste of a GP position for 2016 like it is in 2015 and was in 2014. Only my opinion of course.