severnsider Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I always thought a World Championship meant it involved riders from all over the world not that it had rounds staged over the world ..... Wouldn't it be nice for the UK fans to be able to see a World Champion crowned in their own back yard .... shame this will never happen again whilst BSI hold the reins. Not sure I understand your first point as been a lot of riders in gps where there aren't venues including most of the time those from USA & Australia. Also why shouldn't fans from other countries get to watch live gps. Surely that is the way to encourage the sport to grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Football has certainly suffered a loss of crowds everywhere. Look at all football team 's record attendances. None of them are recent. My local t eam Colchester ,in their last season in the Southern league averaged 9,300. Today it is roughly one third of that. Some of the 3rd and 4th Division clubs had gates of 30.000 plus in the 1950's ,compared to todays 3 0r 4,000. Some of the non league club have only 10% gates of of yesteryear. Most probably every team in the country, professional or amateur have lower gates today than they did years agol If you only look at record attendances as a benchmark, then you have to consider that most of these were set in the days where standing on terraces was allowed and crowds were crammed in like sardines. Plus you look at any sport or form of entertainment back in the 1950s as you have quoted and crowds would be larger, there was less distractions from TV and son on back then. I was referring to the advent of the playoffs, if you look back to when these were introduced to other sports, it certainly hasn't done them any harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Or the first world championship formula is maybe the one he refers to. The one where Bluey Wilkinson scored a 15 point maximum but was only 3rd Wilkinson himself benefited from the same system in 1938 winning outright despite scoring the same points as the second place rider. Customhouse regular has simply taken the format in place at the time he best enjoyed speedway and made it the "proper way" to decide championships Guilty as charged Oldace, but it is a fairer system...no?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Can U please share who is the promoter for the aussie round? Tried to find out earlier without success. THE Etihad stadium If you only look at record attendances as a benchmark, then you have to consider that most of these were set in the days where standing on terraces was allowed and crowds were crammed in like sardines. Plus you look at any sport or form of entertainment back in the 1950s as you have quoted and crowds would be larger, there was less distractions from TV and son on back then. I was referring to the advent of the playoffs, if you look back to when these were introduced to other sports, it certainly hasn't done them any harm. IN the early fifties the Wembley Supporters Club had a membership in excess of 80,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 THE Etihad stadium IN the early fifties the Wembley Supporters Club had a membership in excess of 80,000 I've seen some photos and reports of meetings back then, especially in the London area, with huge crowds. Absolutely amazing. Like I say, fewer distractions back then. Post-war years (I am told) people just wanted to get out and do stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 yes there is no point going to Melbourne if the title is already won. I mean it might be an opportunity for Zagar to get on to a world championship rostrum for the first time and it for riders like Doyle MJJ and Janowski to finish top 8 for the first time and move forward for next season. Think you need to read what you actually wrote buddyis there any excitement in the also ran places? unless you are a fan of that particular rider?..top money to fly however many miles when the title (most important place) is sewn up?..bit like when poole won the title in heat 12, hardly going to get excited in heats 13, 14 and 15! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 THERE is always the danger in any Grand Prix style series that the title will be won before the final event ... will certainly be the case with F1 this year. What do you suggest ... cancel the series once a winner is known? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 THERE is always the danger in any Grand Prix style series that the title will be won before the final event ... will certainly be the case with F1 this year. What do you suggest ... cancel the series once a winner is known? Simple, if someone leads with more than 15 points he must start 15 metres from the tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 THERE is always the danger in any Grand Prix style series that the title will be won before the final event ... will certainly be the case with F1 this year. What do you suggest ... cancel the series once a winner is known?its not rocket science...its pretty obvious, that if the world title is wrapped up before the final round, it will obviously effect the turnout..look how many stayed away from kings lynn / Swindon this week..to some people that last fixture was pretty pointless...ALL I say,as a old fosil for one off finals is, when you turned up (like I did) in Gothenburg in 91, ALL 16 riders started with a chance of being world champion...for me (and im entitled my preference), I would never of paid for a overseas journey,had I already known the winner!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 its not rocket science...its pretty obvious, that if the world title is wrapped up before the final round, it will obviously effect the turnout..look how many stayed away from kings lynn / Swindon this week..to some people that last fixture was pretty pointless...ALL I say,as a old fosil for one off finals is, when you turned up (like I did) in Gothenburg in 91, ALL 16 riders started with a chance of being world champion...for me (and im entitled my preference), I would never of paid for a overseas journey,had I already known the winner!!!! So how many spectators are there in all the GPs together then? Allot more then on a one off final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Simple, if someone leads with more than 15 points he must start 15 metres from the tapes. Tie a 15 kilo weight to the dirt deflector? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) So how many spectators are there in all the GPs together then? Allot more then on a one off final.is this really a discussion?...the one off final fosils prefer that system, its a choice we entitled too..and your question is ALLthe gps and just 1 final? wheres sense in that question?..at least add all the qualifying crowds as well...a full Brandon british final, overseas, commonwealth,intercontinental rounds......I give you, it probably wouldnt match figure wise, but we never suffered a naff Warsaw man made track,these were cut throat cut off places as well...but ALL my point is, I would never go abroad to watch a result that's already known!....if you would, fine, go enjoy it, but its not for everyone Edited September 10, 2015 by ColinMills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Surely the majority of attendees in Melbourne will be people who live in Aussie, and to a lesser extent nz. Those travelling from Europe would surely, for the most part, have booked well in advance. Have to agree though Colin, there were never world finals or qualifiers held on naff tracks. Or do u mean never stopped half way through? That's true, they insisted in running them no matter how poor or dangerous the track, and how much of a lottery it made the meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 some wonderful grounds for racing, Brandon, superb brit finals, then kings lynn commonwealth, white city, magical track..course theres great stuff now as well, I guess its just personal preferences 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 is this really a discussion?...the one off final fosils prefer that system, its a choice we entitled too.. So you are rightly entitled to a choice but those who disagree are dismissed as fossils? Charming and so very helpful. I prefer a one-off world final simply because to me the world championship is far less important than league racing, but that's MY choice. So if those who don't like the GP are fossils, what shall we call those who prefer to let the GPs kill British speedway? Oh yes, fools.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Rmc - Colin was referring to himself as a fossil as he prefers the old world finals to GPS. The term "fool" seems an appropriate description,but not for those to whom you are directing it... Edited September 11, 2015 by waihekeaces1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Does anybody know if Zagar is riding? If not who is his replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Have to agree though Colin, there were never world finals or qualifiers held on naff tracks. I'm sure it must have happened, but I don't remember (m)any world championship qualifiers held on awful tracks. World Finals also didn't get abandoned, even though 1992 must have come pretty close after the torrential downpour it got. However, the Poles just sucked the water off the circuit and it was perfectly raceable (except by Tommy Knudsen who'd won his first couple of races before the rain, and only managed another 3 points). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Vojens inter continental in 81. British final 84. They are the two that stand out to me as being run in truly awful conditions Wembley 75(?) when fans watered the track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Does anybody know if Zagar is riding? If not who is his replacement?Piotr Pawlicki is the next series reserve, then linus sundström. Or the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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