Guest Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 While I agree that would be ridiculous, it is worth noting that that is exactly what happened to pc in 1981 1981 was the year that Collins "retired" following on from his injuries sustained in the 1980 KOC Final against Cradley Heath. This explains his absence from the national side. Happily, he returned for the last few meetings of the season (and returned full time in 1982) but wasn't as effective on the world stage as before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 world champions in both grasstrack and side cars Are you suggesting "not speedway champions"? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 1981 was the year that Collins "retired" following on from his injuries sustained in the 1980 KOC Final against Cradley Heath. This explains his absence from the national side. Happily, he returned for the last few meetings of the season (and returned full time in 1982) but wasn't as effective on the world stage as before. he didn't retire, he said he wasn't going to race in britain. I understand his intention was to ride on the continent and would still have entered the world championship and represented England if he had been allowed. I stand to be corrected, I'm sure someone like oldace can confirm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 This is kinda getting out of hand,theres no way way rob deserved so much stick,he has his views like any of us on here,but Rob if you just explained yourself that you rubbed shoulders with eddie bull and world champions in both grasstrack and side cars,including the wigg family,you would be in a far better place,to help and answer questions on here about machinery,etc,just turn it around and stop banging heads with people. He can't turn it around. Sadly, the more evidence he gives of his history, the more his ill-educated posts come back to haunt him. His only defence to his posts was an ignorant lack of knowledge of speedway setups. As it transpires, it appears he is actually knowledgeable in this area, so he knows he is talking out of his rear and is simply trolling over his dislike/jealousy of Woffinden. He has claimed on the thread he would make accusations about anyone who looked fast.. then later in the thread accepted that Kildemand was faster than Woffinden... I am yet to see any accusation from him over Kildemand. In essence, he is a Woffy hater. We all know that and everything he says regarding Woffinden can quite simply be disregarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 He can't turn it around. Sadly, the more evidence he gives of his history, the more his ill-educated posts come back to haunt him. His only defence to his posts was an ignorant lack of knowledge of speedway setups. As it transpires, it appears he is actually knowledgeable in this area, so he knows he is talking out of his rear and is simply trolling over his dislike/jealousy of Woffinden. He has claimed on the thread he would make accusations about anyone who looked fast.. then later in the thread accepted that Kildemand was faster than Woffinden... I am yet to see any accusation from him over Kildemand. In essence, he is a Woffy hater. We all know that and everything he says regarding Woffinden can quite simply be disregarded. Does that mean the opinions of "Woffy Lovers" can be equally disregarded? Whether you like it or not his opinion is as valid as anyone elses, as that is all it is an opinion. Like @rseholes everybody has one and everyone thinks that theirs is the only one that doesn't stink. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Whether you like it or not his opinion is as valid as anyone elses, as that is all it is an opinion. No problem with anyone stating an opinion. I have a problem when someone claims to have "expert" knowledge about the subject of that opinion but steadfastly refuses to state what that knowledge is. Unless and until the "experts" credentials are known their opinion is no more valid than yours or mine. To his credit when challenged Gavan explained where his knowledge came from which allowed people to form an opinion as to his "expertise". That's not the case with Robert72 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Tbf Robert did indicate where his knowledge came from, simply didn't disclose his name which is fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Tbf Robert did indicate where his knowledge came from, simply didn't disclose his name which is fair enough. But anyone could make that unsubstatiated claim... Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Tbf Robert did indicate where his knowledge came from, simply didn't disclose his name which is fair enough. Did he? He made some claims, he hasn't substantiated any of them, unless I've missed it, in which case please tell me where. What he says may well be true but until he provides credible facts his opinion carries no more weight than yours, mine or anyone else's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Does that mean the opinions of "Woffy Lovers" can be equally disregarded? Whether you like it or not his opinion is as valid as anyone elses, as that is all it is an opinion. Like @rseholes everybody has one and everyone thinks that theirs is the only one that doesn't stink. If someone is extremely biased towards Woffinden and their opinion is only based on their love for him, then yes, it can be disregarded. The simple case here is, Robert72 is claiming one thing and doing another. He has stated he would call out any rider who looked 'fast'. He has only called out Woffinden, despite later admitting that Kildemand is faster. When somebody has to 'lie' to try and backup their opinion, whether it is for something or against something, the opinion has no relevance at all. In this particular case, had Robert72 been questioning the 'unnatural speed' of Woffinden, Hancock and Kildemand he perhaps would have had a point.. he hasn't. Just a vendetta against one rider. Tbf Robert did indicate where his knowledge came from, simply didn't disclose his name which is fair enough. Correct, but as I said, that just makes it worse as he hasn't used his knowledge to form an opinion.. he has tried to hide behind it for his Woffy bashing. Shot himself in the foot basically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) The 1972 fits with Rob Homer Wow that's a blast from the past. Just about remember watching him when i was a kid at Brandon. Edited September 18, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) No problem with anyone stating an opinion. I have a problem when someone claims to have "expert" knowledge about the subject of that opinion but steadfastly refuses to state what that knowledge is. Unless and until the "experts" credentials are known their opinion is no more valid than yours or mine. To his credit when challenged Gavan explained where his knowledge came from which allowed people to form an opinion as to his "expertise". That's not the case with Robert72 i can assure you i certainly have no expertise regarding bikes and set ups. Bt as i explained i have had links to the Loram family and still see Marks old mechanic from 1989-1991 regularly and he explains some stuff to me. Without naming names the chap is South African and still lives in the uk. People can choose to believe or disbelieve me and i cant really prove it. Robert72 is a Tai hater its plain and simple Edited September 18, 2015 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 i can assure you i certainly have no expertise regarding bikes and set ups. Bt as i explained i have had links to the Loram family and still see Marks old mechanic from 1989-1991 regularly and he explains some stuff to me. Without naming names the chap is South African and still lives in the uk. People can choose to believe or disbelieve me and i cant really prove it. Robert72 is a Tai hater its plain and simple I think the word hate is wrong, I think he is badly advised and a disappointment to a lot of British speedway fans. As to my knowledge, well I don't honestly care as most of you would love to have experienced the knowledge I gained from true legends of the sport. I hear that John Davis is agreeing with what I have said for ages, speedway bikes need to return to uprights as they are safer to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 There was nothing wrong with the actual racing produced by riders on uprights. Does it really matter if they are slightly lower, its the excitement that counts - and rider safety. When you think racing must be safer with air fences, just add safer bikes and a lot of the accidents we see today may never be. Would fans settle for this......... I for one would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 There was nothing wrong with the actual racing produced by riders on uprights. Does it really matter if they are slightly lower, its the excitement that counts - and rider safety. When you think racing must be safer with air fences, just add safer bikes and a lot of the accidents we see today may never be. Would fans settle for this......... I for one would. Having rode both uprights and lay down the upright was imho easier and safer to ride. I am still unsure about air fences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Wow that's a blast from the past. Just about remember watching him when i was a kid at Brandon. He as stated that he's ridden a lay down, so very unlikely that its Rob Homer. Can remember Rob at Cradley & second halfing at Birmingham & was he not something to do with the BSA Bantam engine indoor Speedway bikes in the early 70s ?? Rob was a very very good engineer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 There were two rob homers. The one we are talking about it it's already been stated was born in 72 nd rode 89-92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 As to my knowledge, well I don't honestly care as most of you would love to have experienced the knowledge I gained from true legends of the sport. Claimed... Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 There were two rob homers. The one we are talking about it it's already been stated was born in 72 nd rode 89-92. And not very often from the records.Guess he must have done second halves or junior meetings,because a normal speedway riders rides more in a month than that Rob Homer did in 3 years.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I think the word hate is wrong, I think he is badly advised and a disappointment to a lot of British speedway fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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