customhouseregular Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I can't get my head around all this rubbish some people are spouting on here. Greg Hancock is a 3 time world champion & indeed the reigning world champion. Is it not reasonable to assume he will have good machinery tuned to perfection by a top tuner? That could be part of the reason he has those 3 world titles, don't you think? That said, he has struggled to find the right set up for a long time this season, but seems to have done so now & as such is back to the top of his game, which, given he is a thrice world champion, is probably better than the A game most riders can bring to the GP, or indeed any other speedway meeting. You wouldn't think he has won just about every honour in the sport. As for Tai Woffinden, he was the 2013 world champion, so again, it would be reasonable to assume he will invest in decent machinery & have his engines looked after by the best, which is what he does. His bikes are quick, but that is because Peter Johns tunes them exactly the way his customer wants them tuned. That said he couldn't catch Greg (twice) or Kildemand, on Saturday, so not that quick then, huh? Woffinden is the best racer around at the moment & seems to be the complete package, a la Rickardsson, Mauger & Nielsen before him. He is focused & driven, has a settled home life & back up team, including tuner, mentor & pit crew. He is brave, smooth, in control, can gate (sometimes & it's fantastic to watch when he doesn't), has great track craft, can ride slick or grippy, has the best first bend brain in the sport & is savvy enough to know when to go for it & when to settle for what is required. Small wonder he is head & shoulders above the rest. These two guys are both a credit to our sport. They are great at what they do, in different ways. One is a legend already, one, if he steers clear of injury & maintains all of the above that he has built around him, could well go on to break all records. If they both have quick bikes, tuned by one of the best, good for them. It is up to the others to catch them. If any of you think either is cheating, don't hide behind veiled threats of "unnatural speed" (what the hell does that mean anyway?), have the balls to say so. Then prove it. Well said Dave and 100% right . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 That is how things go in the sport.You will get "veiled" comments from Tatum and Pearson(I think it was) about Emils engines,which went on for weeks or months when he was going fantastic in the GPs.You will get "veiled" comments about "polish speed" from people in the sport when the Poles are ding really well.Think Stekkers was one ,when Poland beat Denmark in the SWC.These sort of comments have been going on for decades and very very rarely does anyone put the money up to make an official protest.Just veiled remarks.That is how it has been and probably always will be,not just from fans,but more often than not from riders and officials.People(and this often means riders)can't believe that someone else can be so much better than themselves or the rider they favour. Korneliussen was in some paper the other year saying he knew riders were cheating.Did he come out and name any?Did he make any protests at any meetings?I'll leave those for you to answer Yeah, I appreciate that Iris, it just gets my goat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) It did this weekend i agree but it was only Hancocks second final of the season so hardly a dominating top 2It just shows how crucial the mechanical side of the sport has become in the GP.,Hancock no finals all year,then finds the relevant engine tune / set up and looks like winning every GP. Edited September 15, 2015 by New Science Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Cant read anywhere someone is saying cheating is going on - "un-natural speed" to mean "wow he's flying". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 On a lighter note, having only seen a few highlights, was it a good GP on the whole? I love the Krsko track, I'm assuming it created some good racing on Saturday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Cant read anywhere someone is saying cheating is going on - "un-natural speed" to mean "wow he's flying". Think you're being kind. On a lighter note, having only seen a few highlights, was it a good GP on the whole? I love the Krsko track, I'm assuming it created some good racing on Saturday? I would say it was slightly above average. Some good races, many follow the leader. As you may have guessed from the thread - Woffinden had "unnatural speed" & as such, a few of his efforts from the back were top drawer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Ha, cheers Dave. I saw the semi final pretty spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 This Woffinden fiasco: Go back to having 25-20-18-16 for whoever gets to the final, and then whatever finishers 5th-16th score they keep their points. So, a rider scoring 33333+0, can not score more than the finalists. Stops this "I'm not interested in winning" lark. Secondly, what a p1ss take Woffinden's riding was on Saturday. We get his 'buddy' Hancock is battling Nicki for silver, but for god sake stop team riding Hancock round and then busting your balls to pass Nicki. What a clown he looks trying help out his 45 year old 'bro'. Ridiculous. Nigel Pearson: Stop making out that you're super clever by explaining how to pronounce Kildemand, before then pronouncing Zagar wrong. It was absolutely incredible that he can tell fans that Zagar is pronounced 'Zha-gar' in Slovenia (amazingly where he was born, and by people who speak his language) and then 30 seconds later lapse back to calling him Zagar again. I really wish there was an alternative to him and Tatum in the commentary box, even just alternating or only doing league/GPs. They come across poorly sometimes and although Nigel does a decent job, Tatum is just baffling at times. GPs: Stop picking boring tracks in these places, no-one wants 12 GPs a year spread across GB/Poland/Den/Swe granted, but if you're going to go elsewhere then make the spectacle worthwhile. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I agree on point 1. Point 2 pretty anal. Does it really wind you up to the point you need to talk about it on here? Point 3 totally wrong. Because you don't want 12 rounds doesn't mean everyone or even most dont want 12 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) This Woffinden fiasco: Go back to having 25-20-18-16 for whoever gets to the final, and then whatever finishers 5th-16th score they keep their points. So, a rider scoring 33333+0, can not score more than the finalists. Stops this "I'm not interested in winning" lark. Secondly, what a p1ss take Woffinden's riding was on Saturday. We get his 'buddy' Hancock is battling Nicki for silver, but for god sake stop team riding Hancock round and then busting your balls to pass Nicki. What a clown he looks trying help out his 45 year old 'bro'. Ridiculous. Nigel Pearson: Stop making out that you're super clever by explaining how to pronounce Kildemand, before then pronouncing Zagar wrong. It was absolutely incredible that he can tell fans that Zagar is pronounced 'Zha-gar' in Slovenia (amazingly where he was born, and by people who speak his language) and then 30 seconds later lapse back to calling him Zagar again. I really wish there was an alternative to him and Tatum in the commentary box, even just alternating or only doing league/GPs. They come across poorly sometimes and although Nigel does a decent job, Tatum is just baffling at times. GPs: Stop picking boring tracks in these places, no-one wants 12 GPs a year spread across GB/Poland/Den/Swe granted, but if you're going to go elsewhere then make the spectacle worthwhile. What an absolute load of old cobblers you spout. If you honestly believe what you say about Woffinden etc, you are off with the fairies. Not a clue. I have just run a spreadsheet with the scoring system you suggest & guess what? Woffinden is 30 points ahead instead of 25, so this "I'm not interesting in winning lark" as you so quaintly put it, makes a huge difference doesn't it? Did it occur to you that he is interested in winning - winning the world title, which, in case you missed it, is what the GP series is all about. Sadly, because of his current condition it cannot happen, but I suspect if you were able to ask Ivan Mauger, the greatest of them all, if he would rather have won 3 GP's but finished second overall, or make the final most times & race the percentage game on his way to winning the world title, I think the answer would be the latter 100% of the time. Team riding - please. And why the highlighting of Hancock being 45 - what differenc does that make? You're a fool, The aim in the GP series is to win the GP series & whether you adopt your scoring system, or the one currently used, Woffinden would win, because he is the best. Agree with you to a point about Pearson, but Tatum has more knowledge in his appendix than you will ever accrue. If he baffles you - mmmm, that speaks volumes. Regarding the GP venues, you suggest what exactly? If we aren't going to have a series across those four nations, where else apart from what we have? Edited September 15, 2015 by Dave the Mic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Just watched super tai on a normal speedway bike tonight and not a special rocket powered one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Just watched super tai on a normal speedway bike tonight and not a special rocket powered one. little bit of advice...don't ever go on mastermind and use speedway as your specialised subject!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 little bit of advice...don't ever go on mastermind and use speedway as your specialised subject!! I have forgot more than you would ever know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I have forgot more than you would ever know clearly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 clearly! Mmmm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I believe Kildemand had the fastest time on the night,so much for Tai's speed. Dont think Tai would let Hancock win just for the Monster connection though as Greg is a danger to him if things go wrong maybe settled for 2nd after he realised he was not going to pass him but I don't think he "let him win the final" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I believe Kildemand had the fastest time on the night,so much for Tai's speed. Dont think Tai would let Hancock win just for the Monster connection though as Greg is a danger to him if things go wrong maybe settled for 2nd after he realised he was not going to pass him but I don't think he "let him win the final" AGREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I believe Kildemand had the fastest time on the night,so much for Tai's speed. Dont think Tai would let Hancock win just for the Monster connection though as Greg is a danger to him if things go wrong maybe settled for 2nd after he realised he was not going to pass him but I don't think he "let him win the final" I think your spot on here with regard to Tai letting Greg win the final one bad GP( for Tai )and the pressure would be on ,can't knock anyone riding with their head and looking at the bigger picture . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 I have forgot more than you would ever know You are of course the 13 times world champion... Walter Mitty Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 16, 2015 Report Share Posted September 16, 2015 See the engines of the top 3 at Krsko were all tested & found to be legal. Not really surprising, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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