SCB Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I know I am in the minority, but I can't accept a rider finishing 8th. after 20 heats winning a GP with 11 points, whilst a rider with 20 points finishes 2nd. To me this is ridiculous and nobody will convince me otherwise . TBF, winning the GP is pretty irrelevant. It's all about scoring points. It's nice if you win a GP but only if you're a lower order rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Members of this forum have called me a dinosaur, a boring old fart and an old duffer stuck in a time-warp for saying the same . I know F1 and speedway are like chalk and cheese, but try telling Lewis Hamilton winning a GP is irrelevant . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) well im another dinosaur, maybe a age thing, im only 47 but much prefer the old system. you wouldnt have the same old, year after year..look at the different variation of riders you had in the 1 off finals...going to Melbourne when the title is already won, is pretty pointless imo....id much rather go knowing 16 riders all have 5 starts and start on equal footing,with every point vital scb says winning a gp is pretty much irrelivent..may I ask the point of Melbourne? as the gp itself is irrelivent, and the world title is already sewn up, what is the point of travelling right across the world? Edited September 10, 2015 by ColinMills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 well im another dinosaur, maybe a age thing, im only 47 but much prefer the old system. you wouldnthave the same old, year after year..look at the different variation of riders you had in the 1 off finals...going to Melbourne when the title is already won, is pretty pointless imo....id much rather go knowing 16 riders all have 5 starts and start on equal footing,with every point vitalscb says winning a gp is pretty much irrelivent..may I ask the point of Melbourne? as the gp itself is irrelivent, and the world title is already sewn up, what is the point of travelling right across the world?yes there is no point going to Melbourne if the title is already won. I mean it might be an opportunity for Zagar to get on to a world championship rostrum for the first time and it for riders like Doyle MJJ and Janowski to finish top 8 for the first time and move forward for next season. Think you need to read what you actually wrote buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 bit like 4th winning the league....think oldies wont like it, modern day fans might..or is it a coincidence crowds dropped since then? Crowds have dropped because speedway has failed to move with the times and provide entertainment. Football, rugby league, rugby union, all have playoffs in some sort or other, have they suffered a drop in crowds? Speedway crowds have dropped because they are not attracting young fans in any numbers. Too many times we hide behind guests, r/r, double up, playoffs as excuses why speedway has declined. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 What is your solution to improve the scoring. i 'd like the final to be 4-3-2-1 so the 4th place ider gets something for qualifying for the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 The 4th placed rider does get something for qualifying for the final. The extra points they picked up in the semi and the opportunity they had in the final. I'd be fine going back to 6-4-2 but not 4 3 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 well im another dinosaur, maybe a age thing, im only 47 but much prefer the old system. you wouldnt have the same old, year after year..look at the different variation of riders you had in the 1 off finals...going to Melbourne when the title is already won, is pretty pointless imo....id much rather go knowing 16 riders all have 5 starts and start on equal footing,with every point vital scb says winning a gp is pretty much irrelivent..may I ask the point of Melbourne? as the gp itself is irrelivent, and the world title is already sewn up, what is the point of travelling right across the world? BECAUSE if you live in Australia and New Zealand, Melbourne isn't halfway across the world. Had a long chat with one of the Etihad execs yesterday and they are delighted with ticket sales to date with a high percentage coming from New Zealand. It is, after all, supposed to be a World Championship... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I always thought a World Championship meant it involved riders from all over the world not that it had rounds staged over the world ..... Wouldn't it be nice for the UK fans to be able to see a World Champion crowned in their own back yard .... shame this will never happen again whilst BSI hold the reins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kreso Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Forecast for Saturday is just perfect for racing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I always thought a World Championship meant it involved riders from all over the world not that it had rounds staged over the world ..... Wouldn't it be nice for the UK fans to be able to see a World Champion crowned in their own back yard .... shame this will never happen again whilst BSI hold the reins. IN whose reins would it happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 IN whose reins would it happen?Can U please share who is the promoter for the aussie round? Tried to find out earlier without success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I always thought a World Championship meant it involved riders from all over the world not that it had rounds staged over the world ..... Wouldn't it be nice for the UK fans to be able to see a World Champion crowned in their own back yard .... shame this will never happen again whilst BSI hold the reins. Never going to happen as long as it's at the Millenium Stadium, got rugby internationals and other uses for the stadium to fit around. But personally I don't have a problem with it being June / July every year. Most other sports have a set calendar and are happy with it. Formula One for instance, most of the GPs tend to be at the same time each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Can U please share who is the promoter for the aussie round? Tried to find out earlier without success. Pretty sure Melbourne is a BSI event Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Simple...20 heats and top scorer wins the GP. That's the way all individual meetings used to be run before some smarta*se decided on semis and finals. p.s. It was good enough for Fundin, Mauger and Briggs I read a feature by the historian Tony Webb a couple of weeks ago. At what was thought to be the first speedway meeting proper in Australia the scoring system was the same as the GP uses today, 20 heats, 2 semi-finals and a final to decide the winner. So actually the GPs are using the proper traditional method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 I read a feature by the historian Tony Webb a couple of weeks ago. At what was thought to be the first speedway meeting proper in Australia the scoring system was the same as the GP uses today, 20 heats, 2 semi-finals and a final to decide the winner. So actually the GPs are using the proper traditional method. Or the first world championship formula is maybe the one he refers to. The one where Bluey Wilkinson scored a 15 point maximum but was only 3rd Wilkinson himself benefited from the same system in 1938 winning outright despite scoring the same points as the second place rider. Customhouse regular has simply taken the format in place at the time he best enjoyed speedway and made it the "proper way" to decide championships 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 It was a meeting held in 1926. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Never going to happen as long as it's at the Millenium Stadium, got rugby internationals and other uses for the stadium to fit around. But personally I don't have a problem with it being June / July every year. Most other sports have a set calendar and are happy with it. Formula One for instance, most of the GPs tend to be at the same time each year. I don't care either tbh but it would be good for the fans who attend, having said that with the GP system it's certainly not a given that the last round will see the rider win the thing as such, only that he will be crowned ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Crowds have dropped because speedway has failed to move with the times and provide entertainment. Football, rugby league, rugby union, all have playoffs in some sort or other, have they suffered a drop in crowds? Speedway crowds have dropped because they are not attracting young fans in any numbers. Too many times we hide behind guests, r/r, double up, playoffs as excuses why speedway has declined. Football has certainly suffered a loss of crowds everywhere. Look at all football team 's record attendances. None of them are recent. My local t eam Colchester ,in their last season in the Southern league averaged 9,300. Today it is roughly one third of that. Some of the 3rd and 4th Division clubs had gates of 30.000 plus in the 1950's ,compared to todays 3 0r 4,000. Some of the non league club have only 10% gates of of yesteryear. Most probably every team in the country, professional or amateur have lower gates today than they did years agol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 IN whose reins would it happen? Who knows what will happen when the 25 years is up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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