lucifer sam Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 How many pts did your illegal guest score ?? Our illegal guest scored nothing because we didn't have one. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Its an opinion mate and unless its yours you dont respect anyone elses,try it you might like it!! Firstly, I'm not your mate. Secondly, you're as mad as a lorry load of monkeys. My opinion of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 It seems clear that Scunthorpe did have an illegal guest for Hollub last Friday, but when you look at subsections of the rule or the old in the interests of speedway it seems to create a grey area. Like many rules governing our sport there needs to be clarity so that everyone understands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Firstly, I'm not your mate. Secondly, you're as mad as a lorry load of monkeys. My opinion of courseOk mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Blimey mate, move on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 dont you think if nicolai wasnt allowed to ride then both promotions of berwck and plymouth would of lodged a complaint? they had plenty of time to query it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 dont you think if nicolai wasnt allowed to ride then both promotions of berwck and plymouth would of lodged a complaint? they had plenty of time to query it I posted that yesterday, if the Klindt guesting was illegal you`d think Berwick at least would've protested as they were the opposition on the night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Who says they didn't ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 they maybe did, but got told its ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Who says they didn't ? Nothing announced on Berwick`s website or on the clubs news letter, and certainly nothing announced last night at Berwick`s humping from Somerset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 from my understanding of the rule we are allowed a quest for an assessed no1 because. he was away on an official fim world speedway championship and or recalled by his own federation, which he was on friday and saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 from my understanding of the rule we are allowed a quest for an assessed no1 because. he was away on an official fim world speedway championship and or recalled by his own federation, which he was on friday and saturdayHave you read rule 16-5-2-2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 yep and this one But, only if 16.5.1 A Team may utilise a "Facility" to cover the absence of a Rider(s) who: A is on FIM World Speedway Championship duty. B is engaged elsewhere at a BSPA shared or fee Meeting. C is recalled by his own FMN in accordance with the FIM ISLB Regulations. D has been injured whilst speedway racing, Within 48 hours of the injury occurring, if no evidence is available, a Medical Certificate must be sent to the SCB; failure to do so will result in the mandatory suspension of the Rider’s SCB Registration for the next home fixture. NB. The BSPA MC cannot overrule the suspension. E is sick or carrying a non-speedway injury for which a Medical Certificate must be supplied to the SCB within 48 hours of the sickness / injury occurring in which case the Rider may only return within 7 days (including his Team’s next home Meeting) with the express permission of the MC. However failure to provide a Certificate will nevertheless result in the mandatory suspension of the Rider’s SCB Registration for the next home fixture. NB. The BSPA MC cannot overrule the suspension. F has been suspended by the FIM, ACU, SCB or Rider’s FMN. G is in dispute with his Club, provided that the circumstances have been accepted by the MC, who will determine the Facility and period of the Rider’s inactivity. H is on FIM Longtrack Championship duty (for the day of the Meeting only; no facility is permitted for practice day). I being a PL Rider whose own FMN does not have a current Agreement with the BSPA and is competing in another National League or Open Meeting. This will result in the Rider’s SCB Registration being suspended for 1 (one) season and the Team will be automatically granted a facility for a maximum period of 28 days, after which they must re-declare. J is awaiting medical clearance from the Riders FMN. K is absent for any other reason (applicable to the NL only) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Bloody hell Lewy you go on more than my misses when she wants the hedge cutting ,all open to interpretation no complaints because that's the way the mc interpreted the rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 from my understanding of the rule we are allowed a quest for an assessed no1 because. he was away on an official fim world speedway championship and or recalled by his own federation, which he was on friday and saturday Fair enough, though that still doesn't change the fact that Hollub is an assessed averaged rider. Bloody hell Lewy you go on more than my misses when she wants the hedge cutting ,all open to interpretation no complaints because that's the way the mc interpreted the rule And that`s one of the problems that speedway has, rules are there to be interpreted and not enforced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Can't disagree screm but if the mc are happy with it what is the endless debate about it opinions don't count if you ain't making the decision unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 is Lewy still on his vendetta against scunny and everyone ignoring the fact that the assesed Number 1 sub section is relating to 28 day facility not an individual meeting. Assesed or not if they have a legitimate reason for not being there like a FIM meeting then they get the facility as per the first part The whole purpose of the sub section rule is to stop a club bringing in an assessed rider discovering he is rubbish so claiming he is injured and getting guests in at number 1 who are better than them If that was not the rule then scunny would have lined up totally different with R/R at 1 and Nicolai as a guest for Ryan!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 is Lewy still on his vendetta against scunny and everyone ignoring the fact that the assesed Number 1 sub section is relating to 28 day facility not an individual meeting. Assesed or not if they have a legitimate reason for not being there like a FIM meeting then they get the facility as per the first part The whole purpose of the sub section rule is to stop a club bringing in an assessed rider discovering he is rubbish so claiming he is injured and getting guests in at number 1 who are better than them If that was not the rule then scunny would have lined up totally different with R/R at 1 and Nicolai as a guest for Ryan!! I think you're right. Not, as you also point out, that it made the slightest difference either way nor did it detract from a very good meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Went to Berwick on Saturday; I have placed my impressions on the Bandits v Somerset thread. Thommy and Theo aside the Bandits were run out of town. But if we have problems at Scunny trust me there equally bad if not worse at Berwick the crowd was very sparse and minus the Rebels faithful would I imagine probably make it unviable. Tough tough times for speedway and I know that the speedway family has far far more immediate concern for one of our fallen stars right now. Edited August 25, 2015 by the outsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I know I'm late to the discussion but 16.5.2.2 is a sub rule of 16.5.2. As 16.5.2 IS relevant then 16.5.2.2 IS. It's only R/R for an assessed #1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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