screm Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 What about the illegal guest at no 1,are scunny cheats? How so ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 How so ?. Your not allowed a guest for a rider at no1on an assessed average!Rule 16-5-2-2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Your not allowed a guest for a rider at no1on an assessed average! Rule 16-5-2-2! You would think the Berwick promotion would've known that last night and protested, and can be sure it would've been announced had they done so. Maybe it comes under "in the best interests of speedway" category, where it seems anything goes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 How can a club be allowed to blatantly break the rules and everyone carries on regardless,your all as bad as each other or is it because thier promoter is on the mc its stinks in my opinion and scunny should be docked the pts,cheats!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Yep the gating tart was at number one not sure if he was an illegal though but reminds me so much off Nicky allot in front wins by a mile at the back looses by a mile And Adam Allott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Don't you need to have a 7.00 average for a visa or finish in the top 4 of your state championship? Have Douglas or Davies done either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Not these old chestnuts again!! Ryan finished top 4 in a state championship just before he got injured last winter! If you read the rules properly and the sub.sectioning you are allowed a guest for whatever is listed for the rider in section 1. The assessed number 1 (or rider who has not managed a meeting yet) is for a 28 day facility. As this was due to fim u21 world team it was fine if he was out injured then it wouldn't be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 16.5.2.2 If the absent Rider has an assessed MA and is a PL#1 (by MA) only RR facility is allowed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) 16.5.2.2 If the absent Rider has an assessed MA and is a PL#1 (by MA) only RR facility is allowed Which is in turn contradicted by: 18.10 FACILITIES a1) Absent #1: G or RR a2) Absent D-U or ED Rider G or RR b ) 1 Absent Rider (2 – 5): RR c) More than 1 Absent Rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others d) Absent #6 or #7: G e) “No Facility”: NL G* Which rule of these two takes precedence? Had Zdenek Holub been the only missing Scunthorpe 1-5 rider missing, then it looks like only R/R could be used, but Ryan Douglas was also missing. Scunny can't use R/R twice, therefore a guest needs to be used for one of the two absent riders. All the best Rob NB Should point out I'm not talking as Scunny's press officer in this case, simply from my own knowledge of the rulebook, and how different rules often contradict another one!! Edited August 23, 2015 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Which is in turn contradicted by: 18.10 FACILITIES a1) Absent #1: G or RR a2) Absent D-U or ED Rider G or RR b ) 1 Absent Rider (2 – 5): RR c) More than 1 Absent Rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others d) Absent #6 or #7: G e) “No Facility”: NL G* Which rule of these two takes precedence? Had Zdenek Holub been the only missing Scunthorpe 1-5 rider missing, then it looks like only R/R could be used, but Ryan Douglas was also missing. Scunny can't use R/R twice, therefore a guest needs to be used for one of the two absent riders. All the best Rob NB Should point out I'm not talking as Scunny's press officer in this case, simply from my own knowledge of the rulebook, and how different rules often contradict another one!! Rob you don't have a leg to stand on 16.5.2.2 is clear and unambiguous there are no qualifications. Nothing in 18.10 contradicts 16.5.2.2 - the combination of the two rules means it must be RR for the no 1 and guests for the other missing riders. Scunny got it wrong, end of. I do wonder why 16.5.2.2 is in section 16 when it clearly pertains only to the PL and should properly be in section 18. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) If you read the rules properly and the sub.sectioning you are allowed a guest for whatever is listed for the rider in section 1. The assessed number 1 (or rider who has not managed a meeting yet) is for a 28 day facility. As this was due to fim u21 world team it was fine if he was out injured then it wouldn't be SB, you're spot on there. The full rule is: 16.5.2 For an absent Rider with (a) an assessed MA, or ( b ) has been approved in a team’s declared line-up at the start of the season, a 28-day Facility may be granted at MC’s discretion. 16.5.2.1 In the NL this only applies if he was in that Team’s 1-7 at the close of the previous season. 16.5.2.2 If the absent Rider has an assessed MA and is a PL#1 (by MA) only RR facility is allowed. So yes 16.5.2.2 doesn't apply at all in this case as Scunny are not using a 28-day-facility for Holub. It's 18.10.c that does apply and has been applied correctly. But please can we avoid another boring rulebook argument. The focus should be on the racing from Friday's meeting. There have been even better meetings at the EWR this year, but that was still a cracker on Friday. Heat 8 was simply amazing, with the riders seemingly swapping positions on every bend. All the best Rob Edited August 23, 2015 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 No the focus shouldnt be on Fridays meeting as scunny had klindt booked to ride at no1 against plymouth on saturday so they were intending to cheat again,or maybe if the devils promotion and supporters sat on the track this may have prevented it,but I doubt it as we have no representative on the mc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 No the focus shouldnt be on Fridays meeting as scunny had klindt booked to ride at no1 against plymouth on saturday so they were intending to cheat again,or maybe if the devils promotion and supporters sat on the track this may have prevented it,but I doubt it as we have no representative on the mc Lewy, read the whole of 16.5.2 again and not just the sub-section at the end. The rule and its sub-sections are referring to teams using 28-day-facilites, yes? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 No! Your wrong and trying to cheat. Some action should be taken imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Don't you just love speedway? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Natioal league guest was/is the only facility granted in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Natioal league guest was/is the only facility granted in my opinion Oh well, in that case Scunny don't have a leg to stand on. Case closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Its an opinion mate and unless its yours you dont respect anyone elses,try it you might like it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Don't you just love speedway? Shads, I do. Great meeting on Friday - great racing, something resting on Heat 15, some unexpected results, both teams went away happy. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Shads, I do. Great meeting on Friday - great racing, something resting on Heat 15, some unexpected results, both teams went away happy. All the best Rob How many pts did your illegal guest score ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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