sparkafag Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) What a rider did at the start gate 3 weeks ago is completely irrelevant..... Edited August 20, 2015 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 What a rider did at the start gate 3 weeks ago is completely irrelevant..... Good job some referees make judgements based on what they see (none of the women are included in that statement ) and not on their expectation , otherwise Nicki Pedersen would get excluded from every race ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 To be fair, I didn't think IRR was available for a rider that withdraws from an injury sustained in a previous meeting. IRR was for injuries caused in the current meeting is how I understood it. Come on, this "fiddle" has been going on since time began. Riders have always withdrawn from meetings claiming they have aggravated an old injury to allow reserve to take their place. why have Kings Lynn suddenly got the hump about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Come on, this "fiddle" has been going on since time began. Riders have always withdrawn from meetings claiming they have aggravated an old injury to allow reserve to take their place. why have Kings Lynn suddenly got the hump about it? A certain James Cockle did it at Peterborough a few years ago, had one ride didn't fall then seen going home in van laughing didn't seem too much in pain to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 No idea what you are trying to get at. My Facebook and Twitter accounts have plenty of varied opinions as one would assume when disputing opinions. Except this isn't opinion, it's a matter of record, for all to see. He didn't move and the referee made a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Just checked the rulebook and it makes no mention of when the injuries occurred. Which makes the moaning irrelevant. 17.9 An INJURED RIDER REPLACEMENT (IRR)Is a Facility that allows one certified injured Rider’s (#1-#5) remaining programmed rides (including a ride in which he was unable to re-start but was not disqualified - FN) to be taken by other Team Members (including any Guest Riders), providing the Team is not already using RR and subject to: 17.9.1 The injured Rider not having completed 3 Rides 17.9.2 Only one position per Team may be declared as IRR. 17.9.3 All Riders with an MA below the Injured Rider may take one IRR ride each. 17.9.4 IRR is not permitted in Heat 15. 17.9.5 A Nomination once made cannot be changed. 17.9.6 A Rider taking an IRR ride may be nominated to take a TR ride (SR 17.10) Edited August 20, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) Kings Lynn wasn't given the IRR at Brandon after Lamebert pulled out were they? Kings Lynn put Kerr in heat 14. Edit. He completed 3 rides so it's not allowed. Edited August 20, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) If the ref thought Sarjeant moved again even slightly in heat 12 (and I can't be sure that he did) then he was disqualified from the heat for not heeding the ref's earlier warning. The official programme shows Garrity (exc) and Sarjeant (e)!! Anyone up with the SCB's abbreviations? Edited August 20, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jive Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not sure how it came across on TV but for a sky match I thought it was a good crowd, good atmosphere, programmes sold out, plenty of sponsors there and plenty of controversy. Goes to show you get a top of the table clash people will go! There is still Life in British Speedway ☺ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 If the ref thought Sarjeant moved again even slightly in heat 12 (and I can't be sure that he did) then he was disqualified from the heat for not heeding the ref's earlier warning. The official programme shows Garrity (exc) and Sarjeant (e)!! Anyone up with the SCB's abbreviations? Why wasn't Adam Ellis warned is a question I would ask also. He jumped starts, twice, then delayed the start a 3rd time before finally being warned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Why wasn't Adam Ellis warned is a question I would ask also. He jumped starts, twice, then delayed the start a 3rd time before finally being warned. Very good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Just checked the rulebook and it makes no mention of when the injuries occurred. Which makes the moaning irrelevant. Thanks for putting the wording on here. Doesn't change my opinion that the rule is open to manipulation and needs to be worded better. (I am not accusing Coventry BTW) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lino wolf Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Why wasn't Adam Ellis warned is a question I would ask also. He jumped starts, twice, then delayed the start a 3rd time before finally being warned. Ellis was lining up every heat a couple of feet further back from the tapes than every other rider in order to get a rolling start !! Cant believe the start marshall didn't have a word !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Thanks for putting the wording on here. Doesn't change my opinion that the rule is open to manipulation and needs to be worded better. (I am not accusing Coventry BTW) King is missing for Ipswich tonight so seems genuine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 King is missing for Ipswich tonight so seems genuine. I never for one moment doubted that King was suffering from his back injury. My problem is with the rules allowing a rider who is clearly not fit being allowed to ride and then being replaced when sense prevails and he finds the "old" injury too painful. I say again I'm not complaining about Coventry using irr (or King for that matter), but the rule itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) I never for one moment doubted that King was suffering from his back injury. My problem is with the rules allowing a rider who is clearly not fit being allowed to ride and then being replaced when sense prevails and he finds the "old" injury too painful. I say again I'm not complaining about Coventry using irr (or King for that matter), but the rule itself. I don't get the issue.. so instead they use RR from the beginning which is better for them?? The rule is one of speedways better ones in my opinion. Edited August 20, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 So for all their moaning about injuries Kings Lynn had a stronger team than with their own riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I thought Garritys behaviour in the pit area after his exclusion was terrible. He was threatening to hit fans and arguing with anyone he could. Then Sarjeants mechanic threatened to knock a stars fan out. I know the home fans were being a bit abusive but what does Garrity expect after he wiped Morris out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Fans getting abusive and riders responding has always happened... Dont see the issue. If you give it out, take it back. For instance, I have seen Rory ( as a Coventry rider) get lots of stick from opposing fans and then give it back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not sure how it came across on TV but for a sky match I thought it was a good crowd, good atmosphere, programmes sold out, plenty of sponsors there and plenty of controversy. Goes to show you get a top of the table clash people will go! There is still Life in British Speedway ☺to be honest I thought is was a pretty average match with very little passing in the early heats, although Tatum and Pearson continued to big it up. It did liven up after the Harris crash, added to the bit of controversy towards the end. Some riders were saying that the track was slick, but that was understandable considering the weather forecast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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