mdmc82 Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 No way Sarj moved in that re-run, watched it on slow mo a few times and the Ref made a bad call there... He didn't. If the ref thought he had then we would have put on the red lights on and Garrity couldn't be excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Surely someone would have mentioned the ht 12 debacle to the ref on the phone when complaining about the double exclusion? "Come on ref, if you've excluded Sargeant (breaking the imaginary tapes at 15m) then that would have meant you had stopped the race at that point? So Garrity, or any other rider could not be then excluded as you'd stopped the race? Or, were you using the same discretion as when a rider anticipates the tapes, but does not gain an advantage, so letting the race continue? And you would of excluded Sargeant at the conclusion of that race. But because of the Garrity incident, you excluded Garrity, and then announced Sargeants exclusion, which would of been announced at that races conclusion.........?? Is this possibly the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoFastTurnLeft Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm a Poole fan, and I think Sarjeant is one of the worst offenders in the league when it comes to jump-starts. However, the ref made a bad call on that re-run. Sarjeant did not jump that start. Oh he jumped the first one, and I'm also pretty sure he rolled on the heat he won too (replay didn't show it from the angle I needed to see and I didn't care enough to rewind) but the ref called that exclusion wrong. I do agree however with his call on Garrity. NKI was brilliant tonight and Lindgren a great choice of guest. Plus this was a good result for Poole, so that's all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well, us Bees fans have been telling you lot for weeks that this team isn't capable of winning meetings like this against fellow contenders and you've now seen it for yourselves. Heat leaders (term used loosely) all badly exposed and Andersen still crap at second string. Even allowing for the heat 12 shambles we got exactly what we deserved. If that was a Playoff semi first leg we'd now be as good as out with an unmarketable second leg to go with the now unmarketable Wednesday night league match against the sparrows. Even allowing for a signing to replace Robbo, you can't win a thing with Joonas as a second heat leader. 100% spot on. king as heat leader away from home kills us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Why don't copy paste the ones that say he never moved ....? what I trying get at is that you are talking bull Copy and paste all the comments that said they thought he moved from social media? ? Yes of course. Your opinion is irrelevant as clearly we don't share the same groups or friends. Call it what you like, it's irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) good win for the Stars...awesome from Niels and good show from Freddie which in fairness was probably better than Milik wouldve done....but 7 each from Robert's + Lewis's replacements offset that imo. Rest of the Stars solid too and all did their bit for a much needed win Bees had a few moments but Garrity let them down when ploughing into Ash and Sarjeant t stay still at the gate it seems (quite agree that if Sarj was excl then Garrity shouldnt have been however...)..... King withdrawing so IRR could be used was a bit of a fast one methinks but didnt really help thankfully Edited August 19, 2015 by Star Fever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 How was withdrawing King a fast one? Yeah, giving Kus an extra ride, what a fiddle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) good win for the Stars...awesome from Niels and good show from Freddie which in fairness was probably better than Milik wouldve done....but 7 each from Robert's + Lewis's replacements offset that imo. Rest of the Stars solid too and all did their bit for a much needed win Bees had a few moments but Garrity let them down when ploughing into Ash and Sarjeant t stay still at the gate it seems ..... King withdrawing so IRR could be used was a bit of a fast one methinks but didnt really help thankfully And using Lindgren for a rider who's not injured isn't?King's Lynn were made stronger tonight than they will be when they have Lambert & Milik back for play offs. King is a much better rider than Hans or Kus at King's Lynn and Garrity was already in pain so why would we withdraw King otherwise. Would you rather see him race and make it even worse. Edited August 19, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't imagine the Bees team spirit is great tonight with Andersen trying to wipe out anyone he was on track with - and people call Nicki Pedersen dangerous!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Good win for the Stars,best I have seen Iversen this season I think.All of his races were below 59 secs,no-one got near that.Freddie certainly got more than Milik.But I think Kerr would have scored more than Ellis and maybe Lambert more than R/R.Bjerre still a worry despite getting paid 11. Coventry were poor Harris was ok but why didn't he turn his throttle the other way when lifting erratically in heat 6.Andersen was gating ok but was to intent on taking riders out even his own on a couple of occasions. All this kerfuffle about heat 12 I haven't seen the sky recording yet as I was there.Surely,the way I look at it is that Garrity was the plonker in that one.If he didn't go gung ho and wipe Morris out the race would have carried on with Saergent still in it.So the blame must be at Garrity's door for giving the ref the option to look at replays.I can virtually guarantee if nobody fell first bend the race would of carried on.Garrity really is reckless at times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Can't imagine the Bees team spirit is great tonight with Andersen trying to wipe out anyone he was on track with - and people call Nicki Pedersen dangerous!! The difference is Hans didn't do it on purpose 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Firstly, I'm not a Coventry or Kings Lynn fan....... Heat 12 James Sargeant did not move before the tapes went up from his 15m handicap, so exclude Garrity for his move on the first corner, rerun with all 3, Garrity exc, Sargeant still off 15m... End of. You absolutely cannot exclude someone for a false start when the race has started, and after you've excluded a rider for a first bend incident! Absolute shocking decision..!! I was informed by a spectator that Sargeant dropped his clutch before tapes went up in re - run and that is why he was excluded, and was told that the decision was probably made after ref had looked at video replay as the exclusion didn't happen immediately. Hope this helps the confusion if that is what happened. don't shoot me I am only the messenger !!! Edited August 19, 2015 by whippy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 And using Lindgren for a rider who's not injured isn't? King's Lynn were made stronger tonight than they will be when they have Lambert & Milik back for play offs. King is a much better rider than Hans or Kus at King's Lynn and Garrity was already in pain so why would we withdraw King otherwise. Would you rather see him race and make it even worse. Whilst I agree about Milik,would you like to have seen him race and make his injury worse .King also managed to complete the meeting last night and even done ht 15. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) I was informed by a spectator that Sargeant dropped his clutch before tapes went up in re - run and that is why he was excluded and was told that the decision was probably made after ref had looked at video replay as the exclusion didn't happen immediately. Hope this helps the confusion if that is what happened. don't shoot me I am only the messenger !!! If that was the case he still couldn't exclude Garrity as he had deemed the race as an unsatisfactory start by excluding Sarjeant. However whichever angle they showed the replay from, at no time did it show Sarjeant jump the start. Edited August 19, 2015 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I was informed by a spectator that Sargeant dropped his clutch before tapes went up in re - run and that is why he was excluded and was told that the decision was probably made after ref had looked at video replay as the exclusion didn't happen immediately. Hope this helps the confusion if that is what happened. don't shoot me I am only the messenger !!! The problem is, the video replay suggested that the referee was wrong to exclude Sarjeant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Whilst I agree about Milik,would you like to have seen him race and make his injury worse .King also managed to complete the meeting last night and even done ht 15. Thank you, that's what we are saying thay he aggregated the injury in tonight's meeting which is why he withdrew. I have only seen a couple of meetings from king's Lynn this year but noticed it has become very gate and go. Is it always like that as have seen more racing at Leicester this year than here? Edited August 19, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Thank you, that's what we are saying thay he aggregated the injury in tonight's meeting which is why he withdrew. Milik looked fine in the SEC. Luckily for you he will be back IF you make the play offs. Milik did look fin,but he may have simply have done what King done tonight and aggravated it in Poland on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 The 2 key moments was Harris losing it when a possible 5-1 was on the cards and that heat 12. Adam Ellis was extremely lucky to only get one warning after 2 jump starts and delaying a heat along with Garrity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I was informed by a spectator that Sargeant dropped his clutch before tapes went up in re - run and that is why he was excluded, and was told that the decision was probably made after ref had looked at video replay as the exclusion didn't happen immediately. Hope this helps the confusion if that is what happened. don't shoot me I am only the messenger !!! This view won't go down well. You aren't allowed an opinion unless you disagree with the ref! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzAssStar Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 The difference is Hans didn't do it on purpose Clearly you need a trip to Specsavers! Blatantly deliberate esp his move on Porsing .......... and you can make all the excuses you like about it being "just racing"............. good riders leave room to race! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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