waiheke1 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Exactly. His name will be mentioned in discussions on "best rider not to win the world title" but not in discussions on the greatest rider of all time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 [quote name="Trees" post="2687110" timestamp="1442939265 Why doesn't someone run an Unofficial One Meeting World Final and invite Emil and Tai. Any promoter can do it, that's how it works these days ..... ... Because it would just be another worthless individual meeting that no one cared about riding in unless there was a bug pay day. "Unofficial world championship" is just a silly name that no one would buy into. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 That just shows your complete lack of knowledge on the sports history. Emil will certainly be remembered, probably in the same way Tommy Knudsen, the Morans, Leigh Adams etc are remembered, very good riders, riders who on their day could beat the very best but ultimately didn't have what it takes to be world champion. Yet i could tell you near enough every world champion for the last 40 years so again proves my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 At a guess phillipsr you follow a team...yes?. Do you go regularly?. If so and you really support your team you will remember who rode for you in 20, 30, 40 years time. Might I suggest you get a copy of The History Of The World Speedway Championship (2008 I believe). You will learn all about Plechanov, Boocock, Crutcher and many more great riders...including some you may have heard of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 I can just see him travelling 12,000 miles for a one-off...not!. Are you serious? So nobody has heard of Igor Plechanov, Nigel Boocock, Brian Crutcher et al?. I've heard of Nigel Boocock, seen Plechanov mentioned on forums such as this, and vaguely know who Brian Crutcher is... However, name me any World Champion and I'd know them. That just shows your complete lack of knowledge on the sports history. Emil will certainly be remembered, probably in the same way Tommy Knudsen, the Morans, Leigh Adams etc are remembered, very good riders, riders who on their day could beat the very best but ultimately didn't have what it takes to be world champion. To be fair, your average fan won't have an in depth knowledge of the sports history. Most will have heard of the World Champions, a lot less the good riders who never won.. especially as the years go by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 That just shows your complete lack of knowledge on the sports history. Emil will certainly be remembered, probably in the same way Tommy Knudsen, the Morans, Leigh Adams etc are remembered, very good riders, riders who on their day could beat the very best but ultimately didn't have what it takes to be world champion.Are you telling me he does not have what it takes? surely not Oldace? if you watch anough speedway surely you would agree Emil is at a MINIMUM on the same level as Tai.He has a family and maybe speedway is not on the top of his agenda 99per cent of the time in his lfe but please DON'T say he does not have what it takes to be WC i bet Tai is loving it when he does not enter the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Are you telling me he does not have what it takes? surely not Oldace? if you watch anough speedway surely you would agree Emil is at a MINIMUM on the same level as Tai.He has a family and maybe speedway is not on the top of his agenda 99per cent of the time in his lfe but please DON'T say he does not have what it takes to be WC i bet Tai is loving it when he does not enter the series.The first step yo being world champion is the desire to do it. The sort of desire where every waking hour is filled with thoughts of how to achieve it and letting absolutely nothing get in the way of that. Being prepared for the endless sacrifices that go hand in hand with achieving that Emil falls down on that one so yes at this moment in time he doesn't have what it takes Edited September 22, 2015 by Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 The first step yo being world champion is the desire to do it. The sort of desire where every waking hour is filled with thoughts of how to achieve it and letting absolutely nothing get in the way of that. Being prepared for the endless sacrifices that go hand in hand with achieving that Emil falls down on that one so yes at this moment in time he doesn't have what it takes TOTALLY wrong do you know the guy personally a big NO? i believe when Tai won his first title Emil was very UNLUCKY surely Oldace you would acknowledge that.Now Emil has put his happiness/ family first is that so WRONG, i think not i really want him in the series because if he was he would be a world champion.Tai i like and admire and if he wins endless titles i will be happy for him,but without Emil the shine is dimmer.Emil is not to blame the speedway authorities could not give a monkeys those two at the moment without Darcy are a fair bit ahead of the field and most of the speedway world want to see a head to head and my money would be on Emil.( only my opinion!! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Are you telling me he does not have what it takes? surely not Oldace? if you watch anough speedway surely you would agree Emil is at a MINIMUM on the same level as Tai.He has a family and maybe speedway is not on the top of his agenda 99per cent of the time in his lfe but please DON'T say he does not have what it takes to be WC i bet Tai is loving it when he does not enter the series. Right now both me and Emil have the same amount of what it takes to be a World Champion. A place in the GP series. While he fails to/refuses to qualify/ride he cannot lay claim to one of the greatest. And for me, that very sad as he could be one of the greats, had he not been peeing about with the SEC he'd have stood a good chance of being World Champion last season as all the top guys seemed to fall apart (and/or get injured) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 Emil not being in the GP is all about money, pure and simple. And what's wrong with that? If Emil's sponsors want him to ride in SEC as opposed to the SGP, or he weighs up the financial consequences of doing one or the other and thinks SEC is better for him economically, then he's entitled to make that decision as a professional rider. Why should riders be expected to effectively subsidise a competition run by a private profit-making company, regardless of whether it masquerades as the world championship, and maybe he's actually right and all the others are wrong (although he's not the only rider to have made that decision). Personally, I think it's ridiculous that the FIM should have ever allowed competing competitions to be sanctioned, and OneSport come over as little more than bunch of gangsters, but if I were a top-level professional rider I'd certainly want a better deal from the SGP. What cities dont want to stage a GP Auckland, Copenhagen and Bydgoszcz off the top of my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozrik Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Whatever the reasons they need to sort it. I know I will get absolutely shot down for this, but with 3 Aussies already in it, no Darcy and the title already sewn up I think they should go all out to make Emil the Melbourne Wild Card. Dont think so! The standard procedure is for a home rider to be given number 16. BSI could have already offered him a place at Finland, or Slovenia without to much trouble, if they wanted to go that direction. If this is purely an issue of money, then BSI could find the extra insentive for Emil to ride in the GP series. Talk with One Sport, surely they can share the golden egg. Nicki Pedersen seems happy to ride in both series. Emil has beaten him twice in the SEC, leaving only one challenge, and that is Woofinden, now that Darcy is out. Whatever the terms, Emil should be riding in the world championship, and BSI should do all they can to make it happen. What is most important is that BSI get Emil to ride in the GP, before One Sport get Tai to ride in the SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 before One Sport get Tai to ride in the SEC. Bit late, Tai rode in the 2013 SEC Niamh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 If this is purely an issue of money, then BSI could find the extra insentive for Emil to ride in the GP series. Why would they do that? Provided that 16 riders turn-up to every GP then they've fulfilled their contractual obligations and get their money regardless. If they start handing out extra money here and there, then all riders will start demanding it. Talk with One Sport, surely they can share the golden egg. Do people not get the fact that OneSport want to take over the SGP and are not going to do anything to cooperate with BSI? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Why doesn't someone run an Unofficial One Meeting World Final and invite Emil and Tai. Any promoter can do it, that's how it works these days ..... One Meeting World Final ??? Well, early last month Leszno staged EkstraLiga Riders' Championship. The line-up consisted of the CMA 15 top scorers, plus Emil Sayfutdinov as the last year champion. In my opinion it was no worse than any SGP round and good enough for any One Meeting World Final. Result? surprising for some, as they saw two local riders, Sayfutdinov and Pedersen plus Woffinden to be among the favourites. results of the 2015 EkstraLiga Riders' Championship at Leszno, Poland Grigory Laguta (Torun & Russia) - 7 (1,tx,2,1,3) + 1st place in the final. Piotr Pawlicki (Leszno) - 10 (2,0,2,3,3) + 2nd place in the final. Greg Hancock (Rzeszow & USA) - 11 (2,3,3,0,3) + 3rd place in the final. Martin Vaculik (Tarnow & Slovakia) - 11 (3,3,3,2,0) + 4th place in the final. 5. Emil Sayfutdinov (Leszno & Russia) - 10 (3,2,2,2,1) 6. Bartosz Zmarzlik (Gorzow ) - 10 (3,2,1,2,2) 7. Peter Kildemand (Rzeszow & Denmark) - 10 (2,2,2,2,2) 8. Nicki Pedersen (Leszno & Denmark) - 9 (0,3,3,3,fx) 9. Maciej Janowski (Wroclaw) - 9 (1,3,0,3,2) 10. Tai Woffinden (Wroclaw & Gt Britain) - 9 (3,1,1,3,1) 11. Matej Zagar (Gorzow & Slovenia) - 7 (1,1,1,1,3) 12. Krzysztof Buczkowski (Grudziadz) - 7 (1,2,1,1,2) 13. Jason Doyle (Torun & Australia) - 3 (0,d,3,0,0) 14. Grzegorz Walasek (Zielona Gora) - 3 (2,1,0,0,0) 15. Niels Kristian Iversen (Gorzow & Denmark) - 3 (0,1,0,1,1) 16. Pawel Przedpelski (Torun) - 1 (d,0,0,0,1) Res. Bartosz Smektala (Leszno) - 0 (0) Res. Dominik Kubera (Leszno) - dnr heat after heat: 1. (61,53) Vaculik, Walasek, Laguta, Przedpełski (ef) 2. (61,42) Zmarzlik, Kildemand, Buczkowski, Doyle 3. (60,91) Sayfutdinov, Pawlicki, Zagar, Iversen 4. (61,04) Woffinden, Hancock, Janowski, Pedersen 5. (61,85) Janowski, Buczkowski, Zagar, Smektała 6. (61,95) Hancock, Sayfutdinov, Walasek, Doyle (ef) 7. (61,39) Pedersen, Zmarzlik, Iversen, Przedpełski 8. (61,47) Vaculik, Kildemand, Woffinden, Pawlicki 9. (62,45) Doyle, Laguta, Woffinden, Iversen 10. (62,13) Pedersen, Pawlicki, Buczkowski, Walasek 11. (61,70) Hancock, Kildemand, Zagar, Przedpelski 12. (63,19) Vaculik, Sayfutdinov, Zmarzlik, Janowski 13. (62,29) Pawlicki, Zmarzlik, Laguta, Hancock 14. (62,83) Janowski, Kildemand, Iversen, Walasek 15. (63,70) Woffinden, Sayfutdinov, Buczkowski, Przedpelski 16. (63,69) Pedersen, Vaculik, Zagar, Doyle 17. (63,65) Laguta, Kildemand, Sajfutdinow, Pedersen (fx) 18. (63,09) Zagar, Zmarzlik, Woffinden, Walasek 19. (62,71) Pawlicki, Janowski, Przedpelski, Doyle 20. (63,20) Hancock, Buczkowski, Iversen, Vaculik 1st. semi-final: 21. (63,02) Pawlicki, Kildemand, Janowski, Woffinden 2nd semi-final: 22. (63,47) Laguta, Sayfutdinov, Zmarzlik FINAL: 23. (62,28) Laguta, Pawlicki, Hancock, Vaculik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 A great lineup, but the difference is, it wasn't for a World Championship. It's a whole different ball game then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Correct as was the case with the old British league riders Championship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 If this had actually been run along the lines of a one-off World Final, Hancock and Vaculik would have had a run-off to decide the title. Absolutely ridiculous Laguta can score 7 but win the meeting...bah!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 If this had actually been run along the lines of a one-off World Final, Hancock and Vaculik would have had a run-off to decide the title. Absolutely ridiculous Laguta can score 7 but win the meeting...bah!. Not more ridiculous then Greg just managing getting into the semis just to win the entire GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I agree totally...I hate semis, finals and play-offs. top scorer over 20 heats wins in individual meetings. team finishing top of the league wins the league. I refuse to accept the scoring systems used in speedway today are fair or correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 And what's wrong with that? If Emil's sponsors want him to ride in SEC as opposed to the SGP, or he weighs up the financial consequences of doing one or the other and thinks SEC is better for him economically, then he's entitled to make that decision as a professional rider. Why should riders be expected to effectively subsidise a competition run by a private profit-making company, regardless of whether it masquerades as the world championship, and maybe he's actually right and all the others are wrong (although he's not the only rider to have made that decision). Nothing, it's his choice. But the point is, it shows his lack of desire to be world champion, isn't that what we are discussing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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