mickthemuppet Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 It will never be a proper world championship without the two top riders in the world not in Also Antonio Lindback who must be in the top six in the world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 It will never be a proper world championship without the two top riders in the world not in Also Antonio Lindback who must be in the top six in the world Would not Emil's sponsors cough up more for the added exposure the GP's would bring?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 He has said in the past that lack of top sponsors (and their money) is the reason he cannot afford a 12 series GP season - but he can afford a 4 round Euro championship effort. Some politics in the background. There was 4 Russians in the Euros last night - they couldnt get top four for the world team championship. Somethings going on thats causing negatives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 He has said in the past that lack of top sponsors (and their money) is the reason he cannot afford a 12 series GP season - but he can afford a 4 round Euro championship effort. Some politics in the background. There was 4 Russians in the Euros last night - they couldnt get top four for the world team championship. Somethings going on thats causing negatives. Is he in it to make a great living? and for his future and is not to worried about the prestige and the roll of honour?For me he has as much to prove as Ward in the series, a great rider and i believe he would of won it the year Tai won but for injury.If he comes into the series i would think the bookmakers would have Emil favourite but Tai and Ward are at the same level with those three in what a series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 He has said in the past that lack of top sponsors (and their money) is the reason he cannot afford a 12 series GP season - but he can afford a 4 round Euro championship effort. Some politics in the background. There was 4 Russians in the Euros last night - they couldnt get top four for the world team championship. Somethings going on thats causing negatives. All very odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 All very odd. Emil will do and say as he is told as will the other Russians. They likely have very little choice in the matter. Is he in it to make a great living? Might not be far off with the word 'living'. He does as his told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Is he in it to make a great living? and for his future and is not to worried about the prestige and the roll of honour?For me he has as much to prove as Ward in the series, a great rider and i believe he would of won it the year Tai won but for injury.If he comes into the series i would think the bookmakers would have Emil favourite but Tai and Ward are at the same level with those three in what a series.He is probably my favourite rider, but tai is a notch ahead.The euros don't pay better than the gp, and surely red bulls sponsorship would increase if he were world champ. Very sad that he is being advised against or coerced not to enter the series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 On a side note, all those that complain about certain gates being favored at Cardiff/Horsens, need to be watching this SEC at Kumla! I watched all three and all had the same unacceptable bias. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Would not Emil's sponsors cough up more for the added exposure the GP's would bring?. Emil has stated he can't get sponsorship from his native country due to the lack of GPs not shown on TV in Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Well surely he could get sponsorship from other countries that do show GP and other speedway meetings he races in ie Poland-Sweden It does seem strange, but he lost a lot of money when that Polish club didnt pay him, and now he married and by the sound of it has a small boy (think he mentioned him in one of his interviews on Saturday night) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Well surely he could get sponsorship from other countries that do show GP and other speedway meetings he races in ie Poland-Sweden It does seem strange, but he lost a lot of money when that Polish club didnt pay him, and now he married and by the sound of it has a small boy (think he mentioned him in one of his interviews on Saturday night) You would think so, but he did say that his operation & recuperation cost him a lot of money even though Red Bull did help him out with the costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I watched all three and all had the same unacceptable bias. What's your point? Point is people complain that it only happens on temp tracks (presumably just another dig at BSI) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I watched all three and all had the same unacceptable bias. What's your point? R1- R2 B7 W5 Y9 R2- R6 B4 W7 Y4 R3- R12 B2 W6 Y2 So really only Kumla had 1 overwhelming gate Niamh Edited August 17, 2015 by Niamh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 R1- R2 B7 W5 Y9 R2- R6 B4 W7 Y4 R3- R12 B2 W6 Y2 So really only Kumla had 1 overwhelming gate Niamh The "three" mentioned were Cardiff, Horsens and Kulma. Last year the German track (that had a pairs meeting this year) was also terribly biased but it was still a great meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Ah you see SCB, I agree with you and don't think think because there is a gate bias it means it can't be a good meeting. I think it's a shame and a bit unfair on those that draw the worse gate twice but there can still be great racing.I was just pointing out it's not just down it being a temp track that there are massively favored gate positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Info from the riders last year suggested that a season cost for an SGP rider was around 300000 euros. This included everything, including Elit and Ekstra maybe even Elite. Thats a lot of money, but not really if you are in the top 15 of a world wide sport. Like Emil is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) He is probably my favourite rider, but tai is a notch ahead. The euros don't pay better than the gp, and surely red bulls sponsorship would increase if he were world champ. Very sad that he is being advised against or coerced not to enter the series I think Emil over five gates does not usually have a blip where Tai does i still think there is not much between Tai, Emil. Darcy.The only difference is Tai will more and likely be a double world champion but in his era he needs to beat Emil/ Ward when they are fully fit/ and entered i am not that sure he would do. Edited August 17, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Nor am I sidney but I'd love to see him try . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Info from the riders last year suggested that a season cost for an SGP rider was around 300000 euros. This included everything, including Elit and Ekstra maybe even Elite. Thats a lot of money, but not really if you are in the top 15 of a world wide sport. Like Emil is. A lot of money I agree. But how much of that is "incremental" gp spend? Someone like Emil is already spending on world class bikes, has a full time agent and presumably mechanic. Surely the cost of doing 8 extra meetings can't be more than say 40k (if u assume of the 300k maybe 50% fixed 50% variable, assume 50 mtgs a season would be an "incremental" cost of 3k per meeting, which even if you double it would mean 50k extra to do GPS) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 A lot of money I agree. But how much of that is "incremental" gp spend? Someone like Emil is already spending on world class bikes, has a full time agent and presumably mechanic. Surely the cost of doing 8 extra meetings can't be more than say 40k (if u assume of the 300k maybe 50% fixed 50% variable, assume 50 mtgs a season would be an "incremental" cost of 3k per meeting, which even if you double it would mean 50k extra to do GPS) When I went on thinking about my post afterwards, i figured... - 100k for 6 complete bikes + spares. This is with top bits and PJR engines, GP stuff - 50k for a van and some diesel - 150k for other stuff and travel. In 2012 I attended a season afterparty for Timo Lahti that was for his sponsors. He said he had spent 120k during that year. Now with him being based in FINLAND, he rode in the Elite, Sweden, Finland, Poland and Denmark + GP qualis (he went all the way to the Challenge) and few other meetings around. Think he must have done about 70 meetings + about a dozen track days on top of that. Think it was 95k km on his van for the year, divide that with half so his van cost for the season was around 50k in euros. ALSO WORTH noting, that the said Timo Lahti survived from 2012 with atleast 3 complete bikes, top of the line van and a heap of spares... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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