Pinny Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ward will win a world title, at least two Id say Cant agree Gollob was better than hancock or pedersen, pedersens been a top world class performer for well over a decade now and has always been entertaining, in his earlier gp days he used to pass people for fun. Also nicki and greg are decent on any kind of track - gollob at times had limited ability on a small track And who can forget nickis dominating world title win in 07 or 08?? Id put pedersen down as second or third best in the last 20 years behind trick and maybe crump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 - gollob at times had limited ability on a small track Therein lies the key. Let us also not forget that for years the GP's had at least 2, often 3 rounds in Poland and even with this advantage he only won one world title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Imo the thing that makes Pedersen better then Greg and Crump is that Nicki have won cconsecutive titles which neither Greg or Jason have done. Edited August 21, 2015 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 But then you look at the time span between Greg's first 2 titles, he's had the continuity of being a top class rider and regaining a title over a decade after he won his first. It's very hard to pick who's better than who. Generally there's always 3 or 4 riders who are dominant above all others over a period of time who are pretty evenly matched, it's not always down to who won more titles etc. as there's an element of luck in all title wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Therein lies the key. Let us also not forget that for years the GP's had at least 2, often 3 rounds in Poland and even with this advantage he only won one world title. Yet weirdly, the yera he won the title, he score 6 in the first GP in Poland, 3 in the last GP but did score 24 in the other Polish GP. Yet he won the GP in Copenhagen and was set to win (or at least finish top 4) in the British GP until his bike went. He also finished 2nd at Ullevi. So he could ride small tracks very well once he got his head around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wasnt ullevi a big track ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wasnt ullevi a big track ? Yes VERY big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wasnt ullevi a big track ? yes it was, built on an athletics running track, the Ullevi track length was 400m+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Yet weirdly, the yera he won the title, he score 6 in the first GP in Poland, 3 in the last GP but did score 24 in the other Polish GP. Yet he won the GP in Copenhagen and was set to win (or at least finish top 4) in the British GP until his bike went. He also finished 2nd at Ullevi. So he could ride small tracks very well once he got his head around them. 'Once he got his head round them'. You'd expect after 15+ years of riding them he'd figure something out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wasnt ullevi a big track ? It was bit but it wasn't stereotypical Gollob. It's was really weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Im pretty sure that Gollob was 3rd in the first ever Cardiff GP. So although better on bigger tracks he could handle smaller ones just depended on his frame of mind. Basically he wasnt as good as Pedersen or Hancock simple really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ironically he was about the only one who ever did beat Briggo at Custom House. Briggs comment about the West Ham track was "it was so big and wide I knew I could pass anywhere" and he invariably did except that occasion against the Stan Stevens. I never saw Mauger at Belle Vue but Briggo at West Ham had a dominance rarely seen in speedway I remember seeing a challenge match race at West Ham between Barry Briggs and Bjorn Knutson. Briggo said that the fastest way round Custom House was round the outside, while Bjorn said it was round the inside, so they lined up with Bjorn off gate 1 and Briggo off gate 3. As soon as they started they crossed over with Bjorn taking the outside line and Briggo round the inside. Bjorn won, thus proving Briggo right! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I remember seeing a challenge match race at West Ham between Barry Briggs and Bjorn Knutson. Briggo said that the fastest way round Custom House was round the outside, while Bjorn said it was round the inside, so they lined up with Bjorn off gate 1 and Briggo off gate 3. As soon as they started they crossed over with Bjorn taking the outside line and Briggo round the inside. Bjorn won, thus proving Briggo right! This is the kind of thing that was lapped up in the past as well, i.e. the crowd loved it. A similar thing in the modern era would provide very little interest at all really. That's not an attack by the way, just an observation to how times have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Yes, I agree, BWitcher. You're right. I wonder how the old time showman promoters like Johnnie Hoskins, Ronnie Greene and Freddie Mockford would have got on with today's audiences... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I remember a few years back there was a tie for first place in an open meeting.Both riders made an agreement in the pits about the run-off,went out and rode side by side doing wheelies for 4 laps.Half the crowd thought it was the best thing they had ever seen and the other half thought it a scandal.The arguments went on afterwards on the german forum......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Im pretty sure that Gollob was 3rd in the first ever Cardiff GP. So although better on bigger tracks he could handle smaller ones just depended on his frame of mind. Basically he wasnt as good as Pedersen or Hancock simple reallyYour opinion only,ask the poles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Your opinion only,ask the poles? Its not an opnion Hancock and Pedersen were better than Gollob its a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Its not an opnion Hancock and Pedersen were better than Gollob its a factHow is that? do you just go on the amount of titles won? Jerzy won it in 1973 was he a better rider than Leigh Adams and Vic Duggan a couple of examples for you.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 How is that? do you just go on the amount of titles won? Jerzy won it in 1973 was he a better rider than Leigh Adams and Vic Duggan a couple of examples for you.! It is a fact that Hancock and Pedersen were better than Gollob the stats over a number of years prove that. Fluke 1 off world titles happen, Jerzy, Muller spring to mind. No way was either of them better than Leigh Adams they just had a lucky night or a good night. The difference is Hancock and Nicki have 3 each which quite clearly marks them down as better than Gollob. Gollob definatly more exciting to watch but you seem to have trouble understanding that natural talent and exciting to watch doesnt make them a better rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 It is a fact that Hancock and Pedersen were better than Gollob the stats over a number of years prove that. Fluke 1 off world titles happen, Jerzy, Muller spring to mind. No way was either of them better than Leigh Adams they just had a lucky night or a good night. The difference is Hancock and Nicki have 3 each which quite clearly marks them down as better than Gollob. Gollob definatly more exciting to watch but you seem to have trouble understanding that natural talent and exciting to watch doesnt make them a better rider. Glad you got the Gollob more exciting bit in! ps where you watching speedway at Foxhall when Gollob rode for them ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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