stratton Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Explain why arson if you would be so kind.Please explain Arson sorry give me He isnt or hasnt been very consistant in GP's, his gating aint the best and hes up against the best of the best in most races.... Added to the fact hes a ticking timebomb i dont think he will.I would not take your opinion that seriously you have five years you and WHO ? you and S CB i would not take as that gospel i won't worry to much over the next five years. Edited August 13, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Please explain Arson sorry give me I would not take your opinion that seriously you have five years you and WHO ? SCB take as gospel i won't worry to much over the next five years. what??... You pi55ed?? Edited August 13, 2015 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 what??... You pi55ed??No,i have have a shandy worked a few hours this week but to talk to you is so easy you are pretty limited in your knowledge as for boxing well you ent got a clue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 No,i have have a shandy worked a few hours this week but to talk to you is so easy you are pretty limited in your knowledge as for boxing well you ent got a clue. rahisi kwa wewe kusema .... miamba Christ, i dont think Ward will be world champ so Sid starts the insults... Did you set this thread up for all to agree with you? Get a grip man you breast. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 rahisi kwa wewe kusema .... miambaChrist, i dont think Ward will be world champ so Sid starts the insults... Did you set this thread up for all to agree with you? Get a grip man you breast. Dont cry Arson please,saying that you grizzle on most posts i feel for you what a wet boy you are.Plus i could not give a fly...f.. whether you agree with me or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Dont cry Arson please,saying that you grizzle on most posts i feel for you what a wet boy you are.Plus i could not give a fly...f.. whether you agree with me or not.why you crying i dont think he will be world champ then softsh!te? You cant debate anything? Edited August 14, 2015 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 why you crying i dont think he will be world champ then softsh!te? You cant debate anything you sad bellend. Dont become emotional dont cry,if i met you believe me i would love to give you a dig with your china northern chin that would be so easy luv it as King Kev said you are such a Pr... arson.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Dont become emotional dont cry,if i met you believe me i would love to give you a dig with your china northern chin that would be so easy luv it as King Kev said you are such a Pr... arson.!! so youd give me a dig with my chin?? Another Sidism ... Sh!tting myself here rambo Fancy having the audacity to say ward wont be world champ eh Edited August 13, 2015 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) so youd give me a dig with my chin?? Another Sidism ... Sh!tting myself here rambo Fancy having the audacity to say ward wont be world champ eh You make me laugh, don't cry get a tissue you wet boy. Edited August 13, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 You make me laugh, don't cry get a tissue you wet boy. cringe lol...Your embarrassing yourself sid Again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Dont cry Arson please,saying that you grizzle on most posts i feel for you what a wet boy you are.Plus i could not give a fly...f.. whether you agree with me or not. cringe lol...Your embarrassing yourself sid Again!! No i am laughing pis.... myself, you are reacting i love it, i am in control now go and have a kip wet boy.!! Edited August 13, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 No i am laughing pis.... myself, you are reacting i love it, i am in control now go and have kip wet boy.!!reacting?? Im shaking my head in disbelief at the thought of you sitting in your armchair with a white gravy stained wife beaters vest on, with braces holding your trousers up and thinking your rocky All mouth no action as per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Can Ward win a title within five years? i think so i hope so but who knows? Be interesting to know what you lot the avid speedway fan thinks.! Is he good enought to? Yes. Would I like him to? Yes - much as I disapprove of a lot of what he's done, he (along with EMil) is probably the most exciting rider in the world to watch - it would be a hude ahme if he wastes the talent. Will he- who know, but I think he will. So was Gollob and Adams but Gollob only have one and Adams zero titles despite being in the top for so many years. Talent and skill is not always enough, professionalism and dedication are needed two. Ward have former two but does he have the latter two? Spot on. In most generations, the most talented rider is not the one who wins the most ttitles. Peter Collins was porbably more talented than Mauger/Olsen. Lee and K Moran arguably more talented than Hans and Erik. Gollob more talented than Hancock. Ward is probably more talented than Tai, but I think he will win less titles. I'd suggest that what those examples show is that gating is more important than ability from the back when it comes to winning world titles. And that professionalism, dedication and remaining injury free (look at say Sigalos/Knudsen) are arguably as important as talent (though obviously talent is also a pre-requisite) I think those examples also show that when we call someone "naturally talented" we tend to mean they "brilliant from the back" wheras good starters are often dismissed as "gating tarts." He isnt or hasnt been very consistant in GP's, his gating aint the best and hes up against the best of the best in most races.... Added to the fact hes a ticking timebomb i dont think he will. Not sure that's true. He would have likely finished on the podium in 2013 but for injury, and arguably would have been world champ last year but for his ban. He averages over 11 in GPS which puts him in pretty elite company. I agree re: the gating though. Worth noting that you clearly explain your reasons here why you don't think he'll be world champ, yet Sidney has subsequently asked repreatedly why you don't think he'll be champ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Not sure that's true. He would have likely finished on the podium in 2013 but for injury, and arguably would have been world champ last year but for his ban. He averages over 11 in GPS which puts him in pretty elite company. I agree re: the gating though. Worth noting that you clearly explain your reasons here why you don't think he'll be world champ, yet Sidney has subsequently asked repreatedly why you don't think he'll be champ? Thats odd logic. So he'd have probably be higher place but for injury in 2013 but you're willing to say he'd have been World Champion in 2014 due to others injuries?! surely you include injuries or you don't, you can't have it both ways. Plus Hancock averaged over 2 point a GP more, as did KK and Woffy who finished 4th averaged a little more too. He wouldn't have made the podium last season. I see him having a few 3rd/4th place finishes but he'll screw up again at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 TBH in 2014 he was averaging roughly the same as Hancock/KK etc before they were injured. So even if they hadn't been injured he was in with a great chance. Of course the fact they did get injured could have handed him the title. In 2013, i think he was probably behind only Emil and Tai in points per meeting? so, without any injuries i imagine he'd have a couple of bronze medals. With injuries (but without a ban) he'd probably have one gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob VDS Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yes and likely more than 1 👍 the kid's a natural talent on the bike and combined with the extra maturity that will come from age and lessons learnt, this will enable him to hit the highest heights. In my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 How many entertaining natural talents have became world champ, and how many havent?? It makes no difference how stylish you are etc, its about consistantly raking in enough points... Mainly from the gate... Because passing the best in the world every other race is alot harder than some of the opposition in team matches where you only race against 2 opposing riders. Curious to know how many world champs have been as poor from the gate as ward can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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