Gemini Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 It must be me with a warped sense of humour but I thought the post by KKS was quite funny. I don't know why people take this forum so seriously and get the hump over things. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Â No seeking of brownie points from me although I was in the ATC (1579 Squadron) some years ago and no emotion ever intended from myself either. I confess though to sheer exasperation plus extreme disappointment that what started as a topic created in all good intent following the tale that emanated from a chance conversation on Monday, would also bring forth other such tales. Never mind! Â Relax Bryn, the post by KKS was quite funny, nothing more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 If my memory was better I would be able to post the journey made by a gentleman that was written on the forum a couple of years ago which I'm pretty sure involved the use of a train, a bus and a good walk. But as I can't remember the details or even the track he attended ~ although I think it was Arena Essex ~ I'll just have to hope someone else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Â Relax Bryn, the post by KKS was quite funny, nothing more. Â BWitcher - you are KKS and i claim my 5 pounds 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Sometimes i wonder why i bother with the Forum. Sometimes i wonder why i bother responding to a thread like this. I do about 60 meetings a year these days and i have a season ticket for my Football Club. Thats simply what i chose to do. No dedication involved indeed i have never been dedicated to anything other than the important stuff that is my Family. Whether or not someone continually moans on the forum or comes up with progressive thinking that will improve our great sport is irrelevant as we are all supporters of Speedway. Who is the greatest fan? The one's that put their hands in their pockets and pay their hard earned cash to watch the sport we all love. Sadly their are a fair few who don't contribute financially to support our sport and they always seem to be the first to ridicule what others say and think. Now if the site was moderated, and i have not seen any reason to believe it is, then this thread would be closed so that we can have a chat about the real things going on in the sport. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 someone i know travels from llandudo to bury then to scunny every week, not because he has to, because he wants to, thats some dedication Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Its not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Â No seeking of brownie points from me although I was in the ATC (1579 Squadron) some years ago and no emotion ever intended from myself either. I confess though to sheer exasperation plus extreme disappointment that what started as a topic created in all good intent following the tale that emanated from a chance conversation on Monday, would also bring forth other such tales. Never mind! To be fair Bryn you did ask "know anyone who can top that" at the end of your original posting, so a bit strange that you now are disappointed "other such tales" have been brought forth. My personal dedication was walking from Stratford station to the Wick down the netherworld of Carpenters Road - a less than picturesque amble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Halifax tiger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 If my memory was better I would be able to post the journey made by a gentleman that was written on the forum a couple of years ago which I'm pretty sure involved the use of a train, a bus and a good walk. But as I can't remember the details or even the track he attended ~ although I think it was Arena Essex ~ I'll just have to hope someone else does. Â Maybe you are thinking of the film 'Trains, Planes and Automobiles' Gemini? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) I've had the dedication debate about football...a single friend of mine attends every single Man City match home and away ...Southampton away on a Monday night..they are there.....some Ukrainian town on a Wednesday night...they are there....then he has a go at people who don't attend and says their opinions aren't valid as the don't attend..... My response is always...you are single, you have no commitments , you have money to burn as a result....that's your choice..it's allowed you to attend everything you want.....others have chosen to get married, to raise a family , to support kids through uni , whatever......all this might have an influence on their non attendance....but it doesn't make them actually less of a fan .....but it does show there are many reasons that affect somebody's level of dedication...in all sports. Edited August 12, 2015 by Bruiser McHuge 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 I've had the dedication debate about football...a single friend of mine attends every single Man City match home and away ...Southampton away on a Monday night..they are there.....some Ukrainian town on a Wednesday night...they are there....then he has a go at people who don't attend and says their opinions aren't valid as the don't attend..... My response is always...you are single, you have no commitments , you have money to burn as a result....that's your choice..it's allowed you to attend everything you want.....others have chosen to get married, to raise a family , to support kids through uni , whatever......all this might have an influence on their non attendance....but it doesn't make them actually less of a fan .....but it does show there are many reasons that affect somebody's level of dedication...in all sports. in my experience most people that never miss matches, football or speedway thinks that makes them experts whereas they actually they are nothing of the sort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Â Â ......westhamboy66..... Now if the site was moderated, and i have not seen any reason to believe it is, then this thread would be closed so that we can have a chat about the real things going on in the sport. Â How boring would that be? If it wasn't for the posts that make me laugh and was just serious discussions I wouldn't bother. If you want 'real things going on in the sport' try one of the groups gustix runs on Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) The whole point of criticism, is hopefully to get the product right. I think, if all those fans that have gone missing (apart from having passed on) over the decades were asked why they stopped attending, the sport would have much better idea of what direction to go, and maybe wouldn't have gone down the wrong way street so many times. Â If we don't like the service at the chippy, we don't go again. The shop may think it s doing things right, but the customer is really the sponsor, the lifeblood, and will decide on whether that chippy stays open. Â That chippy chap, a know it all, will do things his way and serve a product he thinks is great, but not attracting more than the odd new customer... relying on those who'll eat anything and will eat there at least once a week. The critics will be classed as whiners, and won't be listened to. A chance to keep those customers, by listening, is lost. Â John Perrin at Belle Vue used to have a saying - "If you don't like it (when some fans complained), don't come back" - and many didn't, and then he had to plead every close season fro more support, otherwise he'd sell the shop. Â We all have our individual views on what's wrong with speedway. Many non-attenders have just grown out of it. But, especially with the internet and these forums, surely some sort of research could be carried out to see why those fans no longer attend. Many (like me) still visit these forums. I haven't been a regular for 10 years or so but still have an interest. When I used to whinge on the Belle Vue forum about the sport, I was called a troll. Now, funny how it is, quite a few are saying the exact same things! Â The worrying things is, I'd say a lot of fans are so close to attending their last matches. One post on the forum suggested he still attends out of habit. I have been there. Once that habit is broken... Â Speedway is a sport that had a lot, squandered much of it, and now stares down a barrel. The thing is, it is a barrel it's turned on itself. Â Truth is, back to the topic of this thread,, is that dedicated fans are usually the mugs that speedway bosses have relied on for years to keep the sport ticking, whether as track workers, programme compilers, ticket sellers, or even those loyal diehards that will put up with anything, as long as they can continue their habit. Edited August 13, 2015 by moxey63 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015  Fuel costing 40p per mile? Are you putting rocket fuel in your motor SCB?  Costs me around £50 in fuel to get up to Scunny and back.  All the best Rob £130 a year tax (for 10,000 miles) => 1.3p a mile £400 a year insurance (for 10,000 miles) => 4p a mile 15p a mile fuel. Depreciation on car value (assume average car cost 15 grand and last for 15 years thats £1000 a year) = > 10p a mile Average tyres last 20,000 miles at a cost of £400 a set. => 2p mile £200 service => 2p mile.  Thats over ~34p a mile already without any other costs.  As DAC says, HMRC allow 45p a mile, do you think the tax man over estimates?! No chance!  OK you don't have to service your car, you can buy cheap tyres, you can drive ultra efficient all the time and buy a cheaper car but the AVERAGE person doesn't.  I've had the dedication debate about football...a single friend of mine attends every single Man City match home and away ...Southampton away on a Monday night..they are there.....some Ukrainian town on a Wednesday night...they are there....then he has a go at people who don't attend and says their opinions aren't valid as the don't attend..... My response is always...you are single, you have no commitments , you have money to burn as a result....that's your choice..it's allowed you to attend everything you want.....others have chosen to get married, to raise a family , to support kids through uni , whatever......all this might have an influence on their non attendance....but it doesn't make them actually less of a fan .....but it does show there are many reasons that affect somebody's level of dedication...in all sports. Spot on. From mid-06 to the end of 08 I missed about 5 Coventry meetings home and away and only 3 or 4 home Newport meetings. Plus went to a fair few of Newports more southern and midland based meetings. In addition to what must have been close to 70-80 neutral meetings mainly at Birmingham, Wolves and Peterborough. But even I used to get narked at the "people who don't go don't deserve an opinion" and the letters page in the speedway star that started with, "I've been a fan since 1971", well bully for them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 £130 a year tax (for 10,000 miles) => 1.3p a mile £400 a year insurance (for 10,000 miles) => 4p a mile 15p a mile fuel. Depreciation on car value (assume average car cost 15 grand and last for 15 years thats £1000 a year) = > 10p a mile Average tyres last 20,000 miles at a cost of £400 a set. => 2p mile £200 service => 2p mile.  Thats over ~34p a mile already without any other costs.  As DAC says, HMRC allow 45p a mile, do you think the tax man over estimates?! No chance!  OK you don't have to service your car, you can buy cheap tyres, you can drive ultra efficient all the time and buy a cheaper car but the AVERAGE person doesn't.  Smart ass  In any case, I drive closer to 18,000 miles a year, so your sums are well out  All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Myself and a few others have gone to every Sheffield meeting home and away (as well as other meetings) for many years and I have only missed a handful of Tigers meetings since 1999 and that has ranged anywhere between 50-80 meetings a season, but the most dedicated fan I know is Halifax Tiger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 £130 a year tax (for 10,000 miles) => 1.3p a mile £400 a year insurance (for 10,000 miles) => 4p a mile 15p a mile fuel. Depreciation on car value (assume average car cost 15 grand and last for 15 years thats £1000 a year) = > 10p a mile Average tyres last 20,000 miles at a cost of £400 a set. => 2p mile £200 service => 2p mile.  Thats over ~34p a mile already without any other costs.  As DAC says, HMRC allow 45p a mile, do you think the tax man over estimates?! No chance!  OK you don't have to service your car, you can buy cheap tyres, you can drive ultra efficient all the time and buy a cheaper car but the AVERAGE person doesn't.  ! It doesn't work like that. Once you have paid your fixed costs like tax, insurance etc they are there whether you go to Speedwáy or not.  Presumably you would have a car for other things like work, socialising etc so if you go to Speedwáy it's only costing you petrol and a bit of wear and tear. If you don't go to Speedwáy you still pay the same tax etc so you all you save by not going is your petrol.  And £400 insurance ? Either you have points on your licence, drive a Ferrari or you are being ripped off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) It doesn't work like that. Once you have paid your fixed costs like tax, insurance etc they are there whether you go to Speedwáy or not.  Presumably you would have a car for other things like work, socialising etc so if you go to Speedwáy it's only costing you petrol and a bit of wear and tear. If you don't go to Speedwáy you still pay the same tax etc so you all you save by not going is your petrol.  And £400 insurance ? Either you have points on your licence, drive a Ferrari or you are being ripped off. £400 insurance is the average (actually £432 is) Also, insurance companies ask you how many miles you do, the more you drive the more you pay. The only cost that is fixed is the tax and the depreciation to some extent.  But if you own a car to get to work and to socialise and go to speedway then of course it's fair to include it. It's part of the reason you own the car and it makes it worth while owning a car. If all I had to worry about was getting to work for example I'd catch a bus at a much lesser cost every year! Edited August 13, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) £400 insurance is the average (actually £432 is) Also, insurance companies ask you how many miles you do, the more you drive the more you pay. The only cost that is fixed is the tax and the depreciation to some extent.  But if you own a car to get to work and to socialise and go to speedway then of course it's fair to include it. It's part of the reason you own the car and it makes it worth while owning a car. If all I had to worry about was getting to work for example I'd catch a bus at a much lesser cost every year! By fixed costs I am not referring to fixed as to price but they are fixed in the sense they have to be paid and don't vary, with use,whether you use the thing a lot or a little. unlike petrol and wear and tear which vary according to the amount you drive If you are sitting down working out your household budget then everything you spend will of course be averaged out, but the reality is that if you are going to a Speedwáy meeting tax incpsurance etc has already been pain so it doesn't cost you an extra 45 p per mile, it cost an extra 20 per mile or thereabouts according to the cars efficiency.  I'll take your word for it that average insurance is £432 but I can only assume that is the full cost before no claims discount. I never paid anything like that even a couple of years ago doing 13000 a year on a 1600cc car. If anyone is paying anything like £400 a year I would strongly advise them to shop aound. If you have a clean licence and a few years accident free you can get much better deals for an average saloon . I have just bought a new car and got a years free comprehensive insurance with it. Thats how desperate insurance companies are to get you on their books in the hope of retaining your business next time round. Like most other things if you don't shop around you are liable to get ripped off. Edited August 13, 2015 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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