speedwaysliders Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 A major point in what happened,was Doyle knew his partner was with him and wasnt going at fall speed INTO the corner as he was trying to let his partner into the corner first,i think he was more thinking about that rather then expecting Nikki to steam under him.!!(not a wise thing to do!!!!)Nikki rightly excluded,end of matter,just tough racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 A major point in what happened,was Doyle knew his partner was with him and wasnt going at fall speed INTO the corner as he was trying to let his partner into the corner first,i think he was more thinking about that rather then expecting Nikki to steam under him.!!(not a wise thing to do!!!!)Nikki rightly excluded,end of matter,just tough racing  You've just shown precisely why Nicki shouldn't have been excluded. Doyle was slowing down, so Nicki wasn't 'steaming in', he was racing at normal speed. Doyle was the one who shut off, got in a mess and had nowhere to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Watching the video, i think Pedersen was a little unlucky to be excluded, he was actually in front and held the line. What he did afterwards is not shown, but i suspect that is the reason he was Red carded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 As Tatum said in his pre-ride assessment, you are almost constantly turning on that track If Doyle was turning that much he would have been on NP's inside! Â Your pictures shows Doyle turning left as he approached the bend - perfectly normal. It shows Nicky going straight - Off the racing line and going to fast to turn sharply given his position. Your not even at the right meeting!!!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) As Tatum said in his pre-ride assessment, you are almost constantly turning on that track If Doyle was turning that much he would have been on NP's inside! Â Your pictures shows Doyle turning left as he approached the bend - perfectly normal. It shows Nicky going straight - Off the racing line and going to fast to turn sharply given his position. Â It's hilarious when biased folk try and concoct reasons to back themselves up. Â What pre-ride assessment is this you have concocted?? Or are you talking about a completely different race track, which pretty much renders your argument redundant as it would be clear you hadn't seen the meeting and have no idea what 'the racing line' was.. Edited August 10, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Pedersen was harshly excluded in the incident with Doyle but what he did in the pits did deserve a red card. You can't swing your helmet at people, that is dangerous. Luckily for both Pedersen missed. Â Just read that he was spat at? If that's the case I understand him kicking off but you just can't attack people with a helmet or anything that can be classed as a weapon. Edited August 10, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Pedersen was harshly excluded in the incident with Doyle but what he did in the pits did deserve a red card. You can't swing your helmet at people, that is dangerous. Luckily for both Pedersen missed. Â He wasn't red carded for the incident in the pits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Â He wasn't red carded for the incident in the pits. Yes I know but that probably did deserve a red card but not the crash he was involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Something that hasn't been mentioned was the emotion charged atmosphere in the stadium due to the very bad heat 2 crash that sent the young reserve Dawid Krzyzanowski to hospital. (thankfully a lot better now ) There was a somber mood over the proceedings and i wonder if this had any bearing on the referees decision? In my humble opinion the wrong decision, but as i said at the time "others will disagree" Regards. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Nicki should not be excluded for the first incident with Doyle, but the video stopped short of how it went with the leader at the time who I presumed went down as well. I would have liked to have seen that. Â I know this has been discussed on another thread, but I do think there are more crashes now then "when I was a lad" back in the 60's and 70's. Somethings got to change soon before another really bad injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Nicki should not be excluded for the first incident with Doyle, but the video stopped short of how it went with the leader at the time who I presumed went down as well. I would have liked to have seen that. Â I know this has been discussed on another thread, but I do think there are more crashes now then "when I was a lad" back in the 60's and 70's. Somethings got to change soon before another really bad injury. Â The second incident is pretty much irrelevant as its a knock on from the first. Nicki is unable to turn due to Doyle leaning into him, so he goes straight on and collects the other rider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) What he did afterwards is not shown, but i suspect that is the reason he was Red carded. So your guessing then. Pedersen was harshly excluded in the incident with Doyle but what he did in the pits did deserve a red card. Â Just read that he was spat at? If that's the case I understand him kicking off but you just can't attack people with a helmet or anything that can be classed as a weapon. the Torun manager went to Pederens pit bay. He is not allowed to do that so he started the problem not the other way round. The manager deserves a ban as he started the argument. Â Pedersen did swing his helmet and a foot at the Torun manager but if he was sworn or spat at can you blame him. Â Edited August 10, 2015 by marky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I can imagine his mindset after crashing and getting thrown out of the meeting unfairly then a fat slob comes into his box talking sh*t. BTW it was the fat man who made the first physical contact by grabbing Nickis helmet thats why he made the swing. Â Some news i read Nickis statement in polish and guess what he apologized to Gajewski, unlike our grinning gentleman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Doyle is a pussy and just fell off far to many riders doing this these days, Pedersens red card was a complete joke and if anyone thinks that was a red card incident they know jack about Speedway, its becoming pussyway of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Â You've just shown precisely why Nicki shouldn't have been excluded. Doyle was slowing down, so Nicki wasn't 'steaming in', he was racing at normal speed. Doyle was the one who shut off, got in a mess and had nowhere to go. I can see where you are coming from,and Doyle should have been more aware,but when you are trying to team ride and are in front you just cant barrow into someone and hope to get away with it.Its a difficullt one and i normally stick up for Nikki ,but he was asking for trouble making that move,and in my eyes had to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I can see where you are coming from,and Doyle should have been more aware,but when you are trying to team ride and are in front you just cant barrow into someone and hope to get away with it.Its a difficullt one and i normally stick up for Nikki ,but he was asking for trouble making that move,and in my eyes had to go. Â Nicki (note the correct spelling) didn't "make a move" Doyle did by turning left on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 I can see where you are coming from,and Doyle should have been more aware,but when you are trying to team ride and are in front you just cant barrow into someone and hope to get away with it.Its a difficullt one and i normally stick up for Nikki ,but he was asking for trouble making that move,and in my eyes had to go. Â Nicki didn't barrel into anyone, he continued on his line, Doyle turned into him, after first sticking his leg into him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Speedwaysliders - Equally if you trying to team ride and slow down to wait for you mate you can expect at least one other rider to make a pass on you. In this case it was one on the outside and one on the in. Difficult to try to team ride on the first back straight you come to, and it didnt work out for Doyle and his team mate. As for the team manage approaching Nicki. if he went over the yellow line then he is guilty of provocation, and if he spat at Nicki then he deserves a harsher penalty, thats disgusting and a potential health hazard that cannot be ignored. Edited August 10, 2015 by OveFundinFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 What I find most amazing is that there are some posters on here are so bias its unreal. Rather than seeing the actual accident for how it was, there are some trying to create the justification, just so they can penalise Pedersen. What a strange world these people live in..... Ok you probably don't like the man, but that hardly reason to victimise him everytime..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted August 10, 2015 Report Share Posted August 10, 2015 Jonsson I think squeezed past and turned sharp left like you said.Lucky like you say If you listen to what Tatum had to say after the race when reviewing it he clearly states how impressed he was by Doyle's pass (hence the woar) and the bravery involved. also I think its pretty clear Doyle had more than a bikes length between him and Jonsson as he made the turn thanks to the speed he had generated down the back straight which made the pass possible in the first place, and sure he turned sharply once in the turn which had far more to do with staying on the racing line than chopping the nose of Jonson who I noticed had no problem getting around the bend nor with Doyle after the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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