sparks123 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Pitch forks out. He went fishing last night and caught a fair few on twitter and on here from the usual lot. Rae showing his class no wonder nobody goes to Berwick. Maybe next season Craig will get his wish and not have to bother attending Berwick as he seems to have a problem with the place. Unfortunately the crowds at Berwick are a lot lower than Edinburgh. The only thing I will say about Saturday night is that the rules require adjusting (Berwick should have been awarded 3rd place in heat 2 due to a Sheffield rider being excluded for knocking Liam off). Surely the team with the injured rider shouldn't be handicapped in that race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Cheers Taffy but not got an I phone I am poor remember.. Tried downloading it onto comp but wont work im garbage with any technology but thanks anyway .. Will just have to imagine what he said lol .. Still got a Nokia 5110 then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Maybe next season Craig will get his wish and not have to bother attending Berwick as he seems to have a problem with the place. Unfortunately the crowds at Berwick are a lot lower than Edinburgh. The only thing I will say about Saturday night is that the rules require adjusting (Berwick should have been awarded 3rd place in heat 2 due to a Sheffield rider being excluded for knocking Liam off). Surely the team with the injured rider shouldn't be handicapped in that race. This is something I pointed out the other day, Berwick had to go with only one rider in three heats last Saturday, through no fault of their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsplint Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 In football this would have been classed as a professional foul resulting in a sending off maybe this rule should be adopted in speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 In football this would have been classed as a professional foul resulting in a sending off maybe this rule should be adopted in speedway I think that rule already exists in speedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I think that rule already exists in speedway In Poland yes, latest example was Nicki Pedersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 In Poland yes, latest example was Nicki Pedersen The Nicki Pedersen red card probably isn't the best example to use for this rule, as in the opinion of many it was a bit of a scandal and almost certainly of Pedersen`s reputation preceding him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 In Poland yes, latest example was Nicki Pedersen Seem to remember a few seasons ago at Berwick, a rider excluded for a dangerous manouver, wasn't someone excluded and put out of the meeting at Newcastle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 In football this would have been classed as a professional foul resulting in a sending off maybe this rule should be adopted in speedwayGood job this rule wasn't around when Makovsky was riding or he would hardly have finished a meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Good job this rule wasn't around when Makovsky was riding or he would hardly have finished a meeting Michal was a hard rider, I never thought he was a dangerous rider, young Mr Bates doesnt seem to have control of his machine at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Michal was a hard rider, I never thought he was a dangerous rider, young Mr Bates doesnt seem to have control of his machine at times Hmm I saw him fence Josh Auty on the backstraight fence in consecutive seasons at Berwick and then there was the incident with Ricky Ashworth. One particular night at Owlerton he was so out of control he was cleaning up his own teammates. Edited August 18, 2015 by Tigerite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Hmm I saw him fence Josh Auty on the backstraight fence in consecutive seasons at Berwick and the incident with Ricky Ashworth. One particular night at Owlerton he was so out of control he was cleaning up his own teammates. I am sure many riders have taken out other riders many times, that does not mean someones single recolection was always regular. It is true Michal took Ricky out Owlerton as did Ricky take Michal at Berwick, Moggo took Michal out at Stoke, Michal took Moggo out at Shielfield, dont remember them being dangerous moves, better described as hard riding. The same meeting that Ricky took Michal out at Berwick, Rymel came out 2 heats later and put Ricky safely into the fence on 1st bend, Ricky rode at both of their testemonials, says it all i think thats the nature of speedway racing, rivals on teack mates off track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Makovsky definitely had his moments, no doubt about that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Seem to remember a few seasons ago at Berwick, a rider excluded for a dangerous manouver, wasn't someone excluded and put out of the meeting at Newcastle Yes it was Zetterstrom who fenced Christian Henry, who had a chunk taken off his backside. Stuart Wilson was the ref, top man for doing the exclusion/ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Good job this rule wasn't around when Makovsky was riding or he would hardly have finished a meeting So morally, given you aren’t a fan of dirty racing (I don’t think many are) the same rule would have probably resulted in Matousek being banned from the sport, never mind a meeting after he was police escorted out of the stadium for his “stunt “ with Nagy. Wilson receiving multiple bans for taking Robert Eriksen off for going “to slow” which resulted in a broken collar bone, the incident with Gary Corbett which basically finished him, yet Wilson still wanted to attack said rider while he lay injured on the ground. I can’t imagine he would have been allowed to continue in the meetings where he shoved Olsen of his bike for no apparent reason or took Danny Bird of for having the audacity to dare beat him in a race around Owlerton. All of which I would assume would result in you agreeing with the idea that riders should be removed from meetings for dangerous racing rather than the creation of a rule for a rider who retired the best part of 5 years ago? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes it was Zetterstrom who fenced Christian Henry, who had a chunk taken off his backside. Stuart Wilson was the ref, top man for doing the exclusion/ban. So in short, the rule must exist. So morally, given you aren’t a fan of dirty racing (I don’t think many are) the same rule would have probably resulted in Matousek being banned from the sport, never mind a meeting after he was police escorted out of the stadium for his “stunt “ with Nagy. Wilson receiving multiple bans for taking Robert Eriksen off for going “to slow” which resulted in a broken collar bone, the incident with Gary Corbett which basically finished him, yet Wilson still wanted to attack said rider while he lay injured on the ground. I can’t imagine he would have been allowed to continue in the meetings where he shoved Olsen of his bike for no apparent reason or took Danny Bird of for having the audacity to dare beat him in a race around Owlerton. All of which I would assume would result in you agreeing with the idea that riders should be removed from meetings for dangerous racing rather than the creation of a rule for a rider who retired the best part of 5 years ago? Think the question was about the move by Bates on Carr saturday past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) So morally, given you arent a fan of dirty racing (I dont think many are) the same rule would have probably resulted in Matousek being banned from the sport, never mind a meeting after he was police escorted out of the stadium for his stunt with Nagy. Wilson receiving multiple bans for taking Robert Eriksen off for going to slow which resulted in a broken collar bone, the incident with Gary Corbett which basically finished him, yet Wilson still wanted to attack said rider while he lay injured on the ground. I cant imagine he would have been allowed to continue in the meetings where he shoved Olsen of his bike for no apparent reason or took Danny Bird of for having the audacity to dare beat him in a race around Owlerton. All of which I would assume would result in you agreeing with the idea that riders should be removed from meetings for dangerous racing rather than the creation of a rule for a rider who retired the best part of 5 years ago? I was commentating that some Berwick fans were saying that the Josh Bates/Liam Carr incident was the worse thing they'ed ever seen in speedway and he should have been kicked out of the meeting, when there have clearly been other similar/worse incidents in the past where no punishment has been dished out. I saw a far worse incident at Edinburgh earlier in the season with Sam Masters and Lasse Bjerre and nothing happened there either. Edited August 18, 2015 by Tigerite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I was commentating that some Berwick fans were saying that the Josh Bates/Liam Carr incident was the worse thing they'ed ever seen in speedway and he should have been kicked out of the meeting, when there have clearly been other similar incidents in the past where no punishment has been dished out. I saw a far worse incident at Edinburgh earlier in the season with Sam Masters and Lasse Bjerre and nothing happened there either. If they haven’t seen the other incidents though then to them the Bates incident possibly is the worst they have seen….what happened 10/15/20 years ago doesn’t change that, nor does the incidents others have seen or incidents from other meetings. It is a fair point that if a rider crosses the line they should be removed from the meeting, it happens in other sports. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm not making a comment regarding Bates incident with Carr on Sat as I did not get a good view from where I was standing at the time,but I will say that Bates is not in control of the bike in a good part of his races IMO he is just hanging on and the bikes is taking him round,have seen him a few times now and still get the same impression . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerite Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I'm not making a comment regarding Bates incident with Carr on Sat as I did not get a good view from where I was standing at the time,but I will say that Bates is not in control of the bike in a good part of his races IMO he is just hanging on and the bikes is taking him round,have seen him a few times now and still get the same impression .I was on the backstraight and I thought Josh caught one of the deep ruts coming out the corner on turn 2 which threw him off line and into Liam but would have to see a replay to confirm that. I noticed there was a lot of track work going on in that area while Liam was being attended to, to smooth that part of the track out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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