MD Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yes it was Zetterstrom who fenced Christian Henry, who had a chunk taken off his backside. Stuart Wilson was the ref, top man for doing the exclusion/ban. Im sure Grieves also issued a bit of punishment on Zetterstrom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Agree with this, Josh struggled with the track but wasn't on his own, Bellego and Klindt were abysmal. I was shocked at how bad the two of them were. I was expecting David especially to revel in those conditions. Last season there was times when he was really quick. First time I've seen him this season, couldn't believe how poor he was. Klindt turned out to be the match winner in heat 14 after doing nothing before this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Im sure Grieves also issued a bit of punishment on Zetterstrom! And I think Matt Read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Berwick newsletter tonight more or less put the 'bad track' story to bed by publishing referee's report to SCB. Which says it was excellent in all departments. Shall we move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Berwick newsletter tonight more or less put the 'bad track' story to bed by publishing referee's report to SCB. Which says it was excellent in all departments. Shall we move on? Cookies tweet has really got to the old bandits the whole newsletter was aimed at what he had said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Cookies tweet has really got to the old bandits the whole newsletter was aimed at what he had said. One topic out of twelve raised in the newsletter. If that's the "whole" newsletter, I guess so. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Its great to see the refs remarks and ratings back on BSF, I was wondering where they had gone. We have often been told on here that when there has been criticism of the track at Berwick we should listen to the riders. Clearly looking at social media there were riders who enjoyed last Saturday`s track, but its fair to say there were some that didn't. Obviously there was the comments from Mr. Cook, but Paco Castagna didn't enjoy it, and Nicolai Klindt described it as more moto X than speedway. Berwick`s Alex Edberg described it as very rough and that it suited only two riders. Obviously you cant please every rider no matter how you set up the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Its great to see the refs remarks and ratings back on BSF, I was wondering where they had gone. We have often been told on here that when there has been criticism of the track at Berwick we should listen to the riders. Clearly looking at social media there were riders who enjoyed last Saturday`s track, but its fair to say there were some that didn't. Obviously there was the comments from Mr. Cook, but Paco Castagna didn't enjoy it, and Nicolai Klindt described it as more moto X than speedway. Berwick`s Alex Edberg described it as very rough and that it suited only two riders. Obviously you cant please every rider no matter how you set up the track. There is nothing wrong in preparing a track in the way it was prepared, as long as it suits the majority of your riders, no point if they havn't got the confidence to ride it. It was obvious that Doolan and Cook were able to ride it, and give credit to Jorgessen he rode it well as well as did Sissis. We didn't really get the chance to see how Thornblum, Carr and Garrity would have ridden it. The question I suppose is, should a track be prepared in a way that dosn't suit the majority of your team. I thought the track looked OK, but I have to bow to the opinion of the riders who had to ride on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Herein this thread lies one of the problems with speedway in general. You just cannot win in the continuous struggle against the fans. Killing it a slow death. A track that provided a new track record, had more than one line, was consistent, had plenty of grip, wasn't too deep, wasn't too slick, offered plenty of racing. The guys that put all the effort in must be wondering if it is all worth it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Herein this thread lies one of the problems with speedway in general. You just cannot win in the continuous struggle against the fans. Killing it a slow death. A track that provided a new track record, had more than one line, was consistent, had plenty of grip, wasn't too deep, wasn't too slick, offered plenty of racing. The guys that put all the effort in must be wondering if it is all worth it. Why oh why, would anyone want to struggle with the fans, Fans have an opinion which must be taken on board, in my opinion they are the most important factor to anyone running a speedway club, without them we have no speedway, and it is irrelevant to how much money is put into the club if it is not rewarded by fans turning up week in week out. Only a fool would ignore the opinions of it's customer base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) The problem with “listening” to a fan base on a form like this is that there are a number of parody accounts, Dyson24 being the latest in a long list. A group of trolls and wind up merchants who have set out to derail all things Berwick Speedway for the last 5 years, listen to their “opinion” it is turgid enough as a fan having to read it let alone having to take it on board! listen to the opinion of fans who obsess over nuisances and newsletters, it passes the stage of listening to them and ultimately ends with pandering to them once you realise that actually, some accounts just find ways to put a negative spin on quite a lot of things the club does...that problem runs deep on this forum where some simply seem to punt speedway as a sport day in day out. Berwick have been as open and transparent as any other club in the league in recent years, like most clubs the message is typically, if you have an opinion or feedback contact the club and have a chat about it, that’s the general noise that comes from every club in the country, venting your spleen about it daily on here, well personally, I don’t know what someone thinks they’re actually achieving by doing that? That again can be applied across the board on this forum. A case and point being if I were to be of the mind-set that you should be able to buy Dre Beats Earphones from the shop of every speedway track in that country, that’s how I feel, I am going to post it on every thread and irrespective of the good work clubs do, positive or not I am going to demand that they sell Dre Beats. I don’t know how much that will cost, the logistics of it, it might ultimately see clubs running at even more of a loss than they currently are but I WANT DRE BEATS EAR PHONES….chances of it happening? Slim so in reality it is in every ones best interest I get over myself and understand that and focus on what the club actually does rather than taking the stance that the club don’t listen to me or aren’t actually acting in my best interest….because even though they don’t sell Dre Beats, speedway clubs do sell the product of “speedway” which is far more important than Dre Beats, newsletters and supposedly being fed total BS. Edited August 19, 2015 by sparkafag 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Herein this thread lies one of the problems with speedway in general. You just cannot win in the continuous struggle against the fans. Killing it a slow death. A track that provided a new track record, had more than one line, was consistent, had plenty of grip, wasn't too deep, wasn't too slick, offered plenty of racing. The guys that put all the effort in must be wondering if it is all worth it. Its the riders attitude towards the fans that should be looked at,take the hump if things don't suit no consideration to the paying public.the Berwick fans are not critisizing the track.Some riders were a disgrace on Sat .Speedway is dead duck with riders like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Its the riders attitude towards the fans that should be looked at,take the hump if things don't suit no consideration to the paying public.the Berwick fans are not critisizing the track.Some riders were a disgrace on Sat .Speedway is dead duck with riders like them. My post earlier had nothing to do with my opinion on the track, but quotes from the riders taking part. I agree with you, it looked to me that one or two riders clearly didn't fancy last Saturday nights track condition and went through the motions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Its the riders attitude towards the fans that should be looked at,take the hump if things don't suit no consideration to the paying public.the Berwick fans are not critisizing the track.Some riders were a disgrace on Sat .Speedway is dead duck with riders like them. I have a huge sympathy in what you are saying about certain riders, but if you assemble a team, then prepare a trrack that does not suit their style of riding, who is to blame. Riders like Doolan and Cook have good track craft and have the ability to adapt, not all riders have that ability, I suppose the question is if they don't have that ability, should they have been selected in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I have a huge sympathy in what you are saying about certain riders, but if you assemble a team, then prepare a trrack that does not suit their style of riding, who is to blame. Riders like Doolan and Cook have good track craft and have the ability to adapt, not all riders have that ability, I suppose the question is if they don't have that ability, should they have been selected in the first place.The riders are to blame,it's been the case in speedway at every track regarding some riders liking conditions and some not but that is just an excuse,riders have adapt to conditions on the night.Imo is some one like Sissis can do what's wrong with the rest of them.Klindt was an absolute joke for someone who is meant to be an International speedway rider.(well that's probably what it says on his van).Too many 2nd rate speedway riders around these days making some easy money when they feel in the mood.Fans are not going to waste their hard earned money just to hand to them IMO . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 If riders want to have a say in track conditions, why don't they spend more time at the track on matchdays? I will hold my hands up and say that I don't know what sort of timescale riders arrive at the track before a meeting (home riders I am talking about, you shouldn't consider the thoughts of away riders in track preparation, other than to make it safe). But these are "professionals" so why don't they meet up with the track curator on the day and discuss things with him? Or even some of the senior riders? If you know what type of track you are going to be served up, you might even look to sign a specific type of rider? Also that way you would like to think you get a better handle on set ups which seem to have cost Berwick badly this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 If riders want to have a say in track conditions, why don't they spend more time at the track on matchdays? I will hold my hands up and say that I don't know what sort of timescale riders arrive at the track before a meeting (home riders I am talking about, you shouldn't consider the thoughts of away riders in track preparation, other than to make it safe). But these are "professionals" so why don't they meet up with the track curator on the day and discuss things with him? Or even some of the senior riders? If you know what type of track you are going to be served up, you might even look to sign a specific type of rider? Also that way you would like to think you get a better handle on set ups which seem to have cost Berwick badly this season. Couldn't agree more, so why dosn't it happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Fromafar also adds another important point about some riders just not fancying a track. The sport has turned into a complete no-win for Promotions. I get slated on here for attempting to be supportive, but I also see the bigger picture and appreciate the effort and resources that go into keeping the sport alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Simple as, it's the difference between riders like Coty Garcia and Kevin Doolan to riders like Alex Edberg and Nicolai Klindt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 Fromafar also adds another important point about some riders just not fancying a track. The sport has turned into a complete no-win for Promotions. I get slated on here for attempting to be supportive, but I also see the bigger picture and appreciate the effort and resources that go into keeping the sport alive. no one doubts how much effort the promotion put in to assure the sport stays alive but you have to ask yourself is it just like poking a stick into a dead animal and hoping it jumps up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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