Gazc Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 mrdyson bandis promoter nxt year, mmmmmmmmm lolol The magic mushrooms must be really potent down the Borders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Kent going EL, Lakeside NL Â Rumour or fact. If it means speedway continues at Berwick, I don't care which league they ride in. Would prefer it if they stayed in the Premier, but if National League is the affordable option, then I'm all for it. Like I've said before, the sport needs more young local riders getting involved. This could be the window. Â I agree, PL would be the preferred option for me to, but surely Berwick in the NL is better than no Berwick at all. Buying Berwick Speedway or investing in speedway full stop might not be an attractive proposition right now but if the necessary changes are made speedway might be more attractive to an investor in the future. IMO if Berwick shuts its doors now I cant see it re-opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Â Rumour or fact. Â Just a rumour flying around down here for a few weeks. I think everyone's waiting to see what changes (if any) are made to the leagues structure before commiting to anything Edited September 27, 2015 by Shads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Just a rumour flying around down here for a few weeks. I think everyone's waiting to see what changes (if any) are made to the leagues structure before commiting to anything  Please don't post rumours, its not a good idea on this thread.  Looking at other clubs threads its seems changes are on the cards, hopefully they will be the changes both to the rules and to the leagues that see speedway in this Country stop its downward spiral, lets face its about time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Â Â ...hopefully they will be the changes both to the rules and to the leagues that see speedway in this Country stop its downward spiral, lets face its about time. Â I agree the sport needs a sea-change. We shouldn't hold our breath, I guess. Â I'm not convinced on the NL option. A large part of the costs will be fixed. So, it is conceivable that running NL would still produce a loss. Personally, I wouldn't bankroll a club just to keep it alive in the NL. It would need to be providing a profitable base to grow towards a sustainable return to the PL at some point. Â One thing since the announcement is very clear. Fans are stuck in their ways. Â One exception is Spittal Bandit who came up with a very plausible and well-thought-out idea. Â Here's hoping that he gets the support of his fellow fans as - at the moment - it appears to be the only credible response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Â Rumour or fact. Â I agree, PL would be the preferred option for me to, but surely Berwick in the NL is better than no Berwick at all. Buying Berwick Speedway or investing in speedway full stop might not be an attractive proposition right now but if the necessary changes are made speedway might be more attractive to an investor in the future. IMO if Berwick shuts its doors now I cant see it re-opening. I still think a speedway club could be a good investment if the club and the sport is promoted correctly. Let's face it, the sport isn't promoted and it suffers as a consequence. Glasgow have shown this season that if you promote well and provide entertainment, you will reap the dividends. In Berwick's case, they are fortunate in a way that there aren't many alternative sporting distractions in the town. Berwick Rangers crowds are probably less than the speedway. The opportunity is there for somebody who wants to invest and work hard at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Â I agree the sport needs a sea-change. We shouldn't hold our breath, I guess. Â I'm not convinced on the NL option. A large part of the costs will be fixed. So, it is conceivable that running NL would still produce a loss. Personally, I wouldn't bankroll a club just to keep it alive in the NL. It would need to be providing a profitable base to grow towards a sustainable return to the PL at some point. Â One thing since the announcement is very clear. Fans are stuck in their ways. Â One exception is Spittal Bandit who came up with a very plausible and well-thought-out idea. Â Here's hoping that he gets the support of his fellow fans as - at the moment - it appears to be the only credible response. Â Surely the costs for NL racing would be lower than they currently are racing PL, and would at least give the chance for the club to be closer to breaking even than it does now. You never know NL could be the savior for Berwick Speedway both in the short and long term, so there would no need to go back to PL racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Surely the costs for NL racing would be lower than they currently are racing PL, and would at least give the chance for the club to be closer to breaking even than it does now. You never know NL could be the savior for Berwick Speedway both in the short and long term, so there would no need to go back to PL racing. Eastbourne and Birmingham both moved to NL this year and there crowds are well up and have made money from what I am told the racing is really good and berwick would or could have 3/4 locals in their team can't get any better publicity than that really or is it something about having 7 Brits each team give them a decent team and the crowds will come Edited September 27, 2015 by mac101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Eastbourne and Birmingham both moved to NL this year and there crowds are well up and have made money from what I am told the racing is really good and berwick would or could have 3/4 locals in their team can't get any better publicity than that really or is it something about having 7 Brits each team give them a decent team and the crowds will come  And look at the success Cradley have had, both in terms of trophies and crowds going to watch, and they haven't even got their own track. I am sure the current promotion have their reason but I don't understand why NL racing wouldn't or couldn't be a viable option, surely you need to keep as many options open as possible in Berwick`s situation, right now it seems its PL or nothing should a someone else not be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Fixed costs is the most likely reason. Â I would still say Spittal Bandit is the only person to put forward a credible suggestion. Edited September 27, 2015 by bigeddiechek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Berwick Rangers crowds are probably less than the speedway. Rangers averaged under 500 people through the gate in 2014/15. Bandits don't publish attendance figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcol Posted September 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 too many hangerson gettin on for nowt lolololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Â And look at the success Cradley have had, both in terms of trophies and crowds going to watch, and they haven't even got their own track. I am sure the current promotion have their reason but I don't understand why NL racing wouldn't or couldn't be a viable option, surely you need to keep as many options open as possible in Berwick`s situation, right now it seems its PL or nothing should a someone else not be found. Going back to rumours about Conference but the source is from people involved in decision making. On the table and supported by most in a position to make decisions. 1 , No 7 will be a fast tracker from NL 2. No6 will be a British rider.. If that decision goes ahead, it will knock on the head using Coty at reserve at Berwick next season, if running of course. Â On fixed costs, the rent of track is fixed so is the insurance, but the main expense are the riders. At NL level that cost would be cut by 75%. Edited September 28, 2015 by To The Point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Nice to see Mr Peat is keeping you up to speed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 On fixed costs, the rent of track is fixed so is the insurance, but the main expense are the riders. At NL level that cost would be cut by 75%. Â And what evidence do you have for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Nice to see Mr Peat is keeping you up to speed! Havn't seen Dave recently. Have spoken to 3 promoters recently though. Â And what evidence do you have for that? Pure common sense, or ask Tony Mole how it worked for Birmingham. Same location, no where near the overheads. Edited September 28, 2015 by To The Point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Going back to rumours about Conference but the source is from people involved in decision making. On the table and supported by most in a position to make decisions. 1 , No 7 will be a fast tracker from NL 2. No6 will be a British rider.. If that decision goes ahead, it will knock on the head using Coty at reserve at Berwick next season, if running of course. Â On fixed costs, the rent of track is fixed so is the insurance, but the main expense are the riders. At NL level that cost would be cut by 75%. You never know, this could be the template for clubs going forward. Use young, local riders where possible, save expensive flights and travel expenses and the like, use the money saved to promote and advertise meetings and providing entertainment during intervals etc. and putting the sport on a better footing to go forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penchev Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 You never know, this could be the template for clubs going forward. Use young, local riders where possible, save expensive flights and travel expenses and the like, use the money saved to promote and advertise meetings and providing entertainment during intervals etc. and putting the sport on a better footing to go forward. Yes this would dilute the sport even further, but the sensible approach must be applied and that means cost cutting, berwick for example could end up with Liam Carr and Luke Ruddick at 6 and 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 It is obvious that running NL is cheaper than running PL, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, the thing that it relies on though is that the crowds go to the NL meetings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 It is obvious that running NL is cheaper than running PL, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out, the thing that it relies on though is that the crowds go to the NL meetingsWhile I wouldn't knock NL meetings you have a point regarding crowds turning up to see it.They are not turning up for PL meetings so can't really see them bursting a gut for NL giving the fact that a big percentage are not actually local IMO . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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