customhouseregular Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 When a fan went to Wembley to watch a World Final he knew he was going to see someone crowned World Champion. He knew he might see a rider win his 1st. title, or make history by winning his 5th. He knew he could see an outsider crowned champion or see the favourite beaten. When a fan goes to Cardiff nothing is really at stake. The top scorer might not be the winner. Whoever wins it is not a pointer to who will win the title. In essence Cardiff is a glorified open meeting, on a par with the old Internationale. If Cardiff hosted a World Final and not a GP I believe the crowd would be significantly higher. I know GP's are here to stay but Cardiff aside the crowds are not great. Having been to Wembley Finals and been in Cardiff for last year's GP, I say Wembley was better than Cardiff. 75,000+ trumps 40,000 after all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Could always start another topic. Why is Cardiff better than Pocking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Cardiff os better than Wembley and GPs are better than a one off world final. Thats why here here to stay Edited August 7, 2015 by phillipsr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 When a fan went to Wembley to watch a World Final he knew he was going to see someone crowned World Champion. He knew he might see a rider win his 1st. title, or make history by winning his 5th. He knew he could see an outsider crowned champion or see the favourite beaten. When a fan goes to Cardiff nothing is really at stake. The top scorer might not be the winner. Whoever wins it is not a pointer to who will win the title. In essence Cardiff is a glorified open meeting, on a par with the old Internationale. If Cardiff hosted a World Final and not a GP I believe the crowd would be significantly higher. I know GP's are here to stay but Cardiff aside the crowds are not great. Having been to Wembley Finals and been in Cardiff for last year's GP, I say Wembley was better than Cardiff. 75,000+ trumps 40,000 after all. Yawn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted August 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yes I know...I'm a boring old fart locked in the past 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Cardiff os better than Wembley and GPs are better than a one off world final. Thats why here here to stay Cardiff os better than Wembley and GPs are better than a one off world final. Thats why here here to stay Let's be clear on this - that is just your opinion Others, myself included, have different opinions Having been at Wroclaw in 1970 and Goteburg in 1977 - both dramatic in their own way - and seen some memorable finals at Wembley, I have to say that the circus of the GPs will never compare favourably They are a series of international individual events, where, strangely, the top scorer on the night may not be the winner, and the overall winner of the series may not even have won one of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 When a fan went to Wembley to watch a World Final he knew he was going to see someone crowned World Champion. He knew he might see a rider win his 1st. title, or make history by winning his 5th. He knew he could see an outsider crowned champion or see the favourite beaten. When a fan goes to Cardiff nothing is really at stake. The top scorer might not be the winner. Whoever wins it is not a pointer to who will win the title. In essence Cardiff is a glorified open meeting, on a par with the old Internationale. If Cardiff hosted a World Final and not a GP I believe the crowd would be significantly higher. I know GP's are here to stay but Cardiff aside the crowds are not great. Having been to Wembley Finals and been in Cardiff for last year's GP, I say Wembley was better than Cardiff. 75,000+ trumps 40,000 after all. Each to their own,never went to Wembley for speedway(was only 10 at the time of the last final)but have been to every GP at Cardiff. Cardiff is good but it can never recreate the tension of a one off world final.A years work in one meeting,no tailing off at the back not trying like KK in the GP this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Far more incentive for a rider to keep trying in the GPS,whereas in a world final after two rides they may have nothing to race for. On a 1-1 basis I'd day Wembley beats cardiff, BUT you'd only get a world final in the UK every 5 years now, and its doubtful any promoter would risk holding it at Wembley (assuming even available), so you may well end up with cardiff anyway, just 20% as often. Not sure the crowd would me much bigger than the 40k mark either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Each to their own,never went to Wembley for speedway(was only 10 at the time of the last final)but have been to every GP at Cardiff. Cardiff is good but it can never recreate the tension of a one off world final.A years work in one meeting,no tailing off at the back not trying like KK in the GP this year. FaR more tailing off in a world final! Your whole meeting can be done after 2 races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 FaR more tailing off in a world final! Your whole meeting can be done after 2 races. So? That's just why the one-off finals were, in the main, so dramatic and unforgettable - who could tell what might happen? Who might make the rostrum? Good and bad drama - like when Nigel Boocock had 8 from 3, and looked a possible champion, then it all fell away Now it's fairly clear from a distance who will be in medal positions And of course, the Empire Stadium, even aged 50+, had a magic of its own, even on what became a temporary track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 So? That's just why the one-off finals were, in the main, so dramatic and unforgettable - who could tell what might happen? Who might make the rostrum? Good and bad drama - like when Nigel Boocock had 8 from 3, and looked a possible champion, then it all fell away Now it's fairly clear from a distance who will be in medal positions And of course, the Empire Stadium, even aged 50+, had a magic of its own, even on what became a temporary track I bet you hate the play-offs too don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 TBF, as a relative youngster, I must admit, I'd love to go to a one of World Final. The idea that you don't know who is going to be World Champion until the last 4 heats of the night but at the start of the night technically any one of 16 can win it must have been brilliant. But I do think the GPs give a fairer World Champion. We'll never have another Muller or Szczakiel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 TBF, as a relative youngster, I must admit, I'd love to go to a one of World Final. The idea that you don't know who is going to be World Champion until the last 4 heats of the night but at the start of the night technically any one of 16 can win it must have been brilliant. But I do think the GPs give a fairer World Champion. We'll never have another Muller or Szczakiel. So ypu don't think either Egon Muller or Jerzy Szczakiel were worthy world champions! Why's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 So ypu don't think either Egon Muller or Jerzy Szczakiel were worthy world champions! Why's that? Would either of them have won over a 6 round series staged in different countries? That is the point. They were world champions however and that can never be taken away, their victory was as worthy as any other world champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) I reckon muller would have had a very slight chance the pole however no chance.then again isn't that why the one offs added excitement.however I prefer the gps Edited August 7, 2015 by bruno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Yawn.Why YAWN? respect the man's opinion Cardiff can only DREAM of having the crowds Wembley had.If somebody come up with the money with a top class field at Wembley they would get a bigger gate than Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 So ypu don't think either Egon Muller or Jerzy Szczakiel were worthy world champions! Why's that? Because within a month of Egon Mullers title win he rode in Ole Olsens farewell that was basically the World Final field and he performed terribly. Had that been a GP he'd have ruined any chance he had of being Champion. He was no doubt a very good rider but very few people consider him to have been the best rider in the World, which is what a World Champion should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 TBF, as a relative youngster, I must admit, I'd love to go to a one of World Final. The idea that you don't know who is going to be World Champion until the last 4 heats of the night but at the start of the night technically any one of 16 can win it must have been brilliant. But I do think the GPs give a fairer World Champion. We'll never have another Muller or Szczakiel. Muller was a very good rider,and every other rider knew on that day he was the man to beat he had quick bikes he deserved to win.Because within a month of Egon Mullers title win he rode in Ole Olsens farewell that was basically the World Final field and he performed terribly. Had that been a GP he'd have ruined any chance he had of being Champion. He was no doubt a very good rider but very few people consider him to have been the best rider in the World, which is what a World Champion should be.Were Greece when they won the Euros? sport should always give a chance to the OUTSIDER this GP series in a way is a bit of a closed shop.An example you can have a rider who comes eighth every year he will never will win it but gets a place year in year out . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Were Greece when they won the Euros? sport should always give a chance to the OUTSIDER this GP series in a way is a bit of a closed shop.An example you can have a rider who comes eighth every year he will never will win it but gets a place year in year out . The same method of qualification happens in other motor sport GPs. What you mention is not in speedway alone - the difference it is accepted in these other motor sports. But then it would not be speedway if there were not voices of disapproval about something (usually everything) taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Muller was a very good rider,and every other rider knew on that day he was the man to beat he had quick bikes he deserved to win.Were Greece when they won the Euros? sport should always give a chance to the OUTSIDER this GP series in a way is a bit of a closed shop.An example you can have a rider who comes eighth every year he will never will win it but gets a place year in year out . Tai Woffinden. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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