mikebv Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 That would be a very sensible way forward - if all speedway clubs were masters of their own destiny with decent landlords and equally flexible other sport users. Maybe that is part of the stipulation when applying for a league? Maybe the bspa should set the citeria re what leagues run on what night. Then the teams get moved into the league that there landlord situation allows.. Most EL teams are 'PL level plus two heat leaders' anyway so teams which 'move up' could I am sure be made competitive... Maybe six mans teams losing the expensive No1 rider is the answer to facilitate competitive teams across the EL with the FTR system being PL only? Maybe one short term step backwards but several steps forwards in the long term? Eg Belle Vue Nicholls Fricke Cook Grajczonek S Worral Nielsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted September 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Wouldn't it make more sense for the EL to run on Monday, Wednesday and Thursday and the PL on Friday, Saturday and Sunday? That gives clubs a choice of three nights with which to negotiate with landlords, local councils etc. and still avoid clashes. although on the surface a good idea - and similar to how speedway ran in the "good times" i.e. top flight racing most nights of the week (I think KL & Cov were the only Saturday tracks back then) I see the big problem being the amount of traveling the "top" riders would have to engage in to meet UK commitments based on "say" two meetings per week in the UK. Sunday Poland. Monday UK. Tues Sweden. Wed/ Thurs UK Fri Off Sat Poland Practice or GP. I can see benefit of two nights together and you suggest Wed/Thurs where I prefer Thurs Fri because of the "No school" next day to boost attendances. Maybe...and this is cruel to suggest but a hard decision that teams may have to face up to. and that is, if a promoter cannot get his stadium to be available on the designated "Elite League" race nights then maybe the cold reality is then that team cannot take part in the Elite League 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 you bring on the youngsters by having a ftd in the pl. instead of your lunna, gravesen, barrett etc. natural talent will come through the natural way (like tai), 99% are, and always will be second strings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 although on the surface a good idea - and similar to how speedway ran in the "good times" i.e. top flight racing most nights of the week (I think KL & Cov were the only Saturday tracks back then) I remember in the 70's not only KL & Cov, but also Belle Vue, Swindon, Cradley & Halifax all being Saturday night tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted September 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 I remember in the 70's not only KL & Cov, but also Belle Vue, Swindon, Cradley & Halifax all being Saturday night tracks. yep you are right and thanks for jogging my memory back to life...also back in those days many of the riders held down day jobs so midweek meetings were more of a challenge for them but they did not have the need or opportunity to ride in other countries as British League was the league...oh how times have changed...and change again they must, if GB is to become a speedway powerhouse once more.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Just had a look at the Leagues from 40 years ago and there was a 'top' league of 18 teams (10 of which operated in 2015 - including Cradley in the NL) and a '2nd tier' league of 20 teams (10 of which operated in 2015 - 4 of which are stand-alone clubs in the NL), so we have lost exactly half of the tracks that operated in 1975. Times have certainly changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 Just had a look at the Leagues from 40 years ago and there was a 'top' league of 18 teams (10 of which operated in 2015 - including Cradley in the NL) and a '2nd tier' league of 20 teams (10 of which operated in 2015 - 4 of which are stand-alone clubs in the NL), so we have lost exactly half of the tracks that operated in 1975. Times have certainly changed. and most had 3 heat leaders of quality!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 and most had 3 heat leaders of quality!! This myth. If you have a 16 team league there will be 48 heat leaders. If you have an 8 team league you will have 56 riders. That means only 8 of the riders in an 8 team league would not have been a heat leader in your bigger league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 This myth. If you have a 16 team league there will be 48 heat leaders. If you have an 8 team league you will have 56 riders. That means only 8 of the riders in an 8 team league would not have been a heat leader in your bigger league. without getting technical, betts, turner and Richard hellsen for example were decent (not the best by far) trio, in 70s, but all teams had far decent trios than today, wouldn't dream of watching national league (of the day) riders..Collins, Morton, sjosten magical times, prob why im with TWK on this subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 and most had 3 heat leaders of quality!! in an 18 team BL, to be a heat leader meant you needed to be in the top 60 riders in the world (top 54 in the BL, plus add at least 6 poles/swedes not racing in the UK). Use that criteria today (i.e. a HL is a rider in the top 60 in the world), and based on my statistical rankings of riders: Poole, Swindon and Coventry have 4 HL, BV and KL have 3, Wolves and Lakeside have 2 and Leicester have 1. So, each team has on average 3 riders of HL quality. There are also 7 riders in the EL I would rank in the top 20 in the world, so again on average nearly every team has a genuine "number 1." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Stable teams, regular race night, proper season length, costs under control and less than income. I think we can see how much chance there is of any of those. It'll limp on, for now, hoping for an improvement and doing nothing to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 scrap the double, back to 6 points behind tac sub riders who touch tapes have to go off 15 not replaced with a reserve..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 without getting technical, betts, turner and Richard hellsen for example were decent (not the best by far) trio, in 70s, but all teams had far decent trios than today, wouldn't dream of watching national league (of the day) riders..Collins, Morton, sjosten magical times, prob why im with TWK on this subject betts, turner , hellsen isn't as good (IMHO) as Janowski, Holder, North or Zagar, Nicholls, Cook or Killer, Batch, Morris or Andrsen, Harris, Joonas or Puk, Bjerre, Schlein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 betts, turner , hellsen isn't as good (IMHO) as Janowski, Holder, North or Zagar, Nicholls, Cook or Killer, Batch, Morris or Andrsen, Harris, Joonas or Puk, Bjerre, Schlein. Betts, Turner , Hellsen wasn't a true reflection on the HL standard of clubs in the British League. They were one of the poorest selections and hence we never won much anything....... Michael Lee came on the scene soon afterwards, and made a tremendous difference. Still didn't win the league though, but the entertainment was magically... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 You shouldn't be allowed to use the double points rule if you are the home team. It has actually ridiculous that you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 You shouldn't be allowed to use the double points rule if you are the home team. It has actually ridiculous that you can! Totally disagree. 95% of the crowd are there to support the home team, they want a home win. Send these people home unhappy/upset/disappointed and they don't come back. More should be done in speedway to make home wins more likely. The away win should be a rare event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Totally disagree. 95% of the crowd are there to support the home team, they want a home win. Send these people home unhappy/upset/disappointed and they don't come back. More should be done in speedway to make home wins more likely. The away win should be a rare event. Happiness was 40-38, not 38-40 ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) The current rules prevent that anyway, with the 7 point rule. Doubt you will be seeing ward (Wrong Quote) Edited September 28, 2015 by Alex2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 scrap the double, back to 6 points behind tac sub riders who touch tapes have to go off 15 not replaced with a reserve..... Until watching the Swedish league this season I would've agreed but all the 6 point tax sub means is that you keep seeing the big hitters 6 times a meeting. There's enough dragged out racing already in the Elite league without a No 1 coming out against 2nd strings & draft reserves as a tac sub. Doubt you will be seeing ward Poor taste😡 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Until watching the Swedish league this season I would've agreed but all the 6 point tax sub means is that you keep seeing the big hitters 6 times a meeting. There's enough dragged out racing already in the Elite league without a No 1 coming out against 2nd strings & draft reserves as a tac sub. Poor taste What? He was badly injured he won't just jump back on a bike for your entertainment. He wants a quality of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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