Gemini Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) To me, it seems your like a wife who leaves her husband becuase he leaves the toilet seat up. Yes, it may well be that it genuinely annoys her. And she may even fool herself that that's the reason she's leaving. But in actual fact, while that may be the "last straw", if she was still i love, and everything else was fine, she'd be able to tolerate the toilet seat thing. I'm rather surprised anyone stays married because men have so many annoying habits, not just toilet seats. Squeezing toothpaste in any old place rather than from the bottom up, leaving doors/cupboards/drawers open so it's like a trail where they have been, never putting things back in the place they got them from and then wonder why they can't find them, constantly flicking through TV channels in case they're missing something. (That's what the TV magazine is for!) That had better be all for now but most women deserve a medal for putting up with them. Edited to put the quote in....and that's Phil's fault because if the pages contained just one more post I would have been okay. Edited August 14, 2015 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm rather surprised anyone stays married because men have so many annoying habits, not just toilet seats. Squeezing toothpaste in any old place rather than from the bottom up, leaving doors/cupboards/drawers open so it's like a trail where they have been, never putting things back in the place they got them from and then wonder why they can't find them, constantly flicking through TV channels in case they're missing something. (That's what the TV magazine is for!) That had better be all for now but most women deserve a medal for putting up with them. Errrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmm!!! :blink: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Not really it just typifies another old fan who just wants the rules to be the same when he went ...the tac sub is just as Mickey mouse as the Double point rule but because the speedway was good no one cared ...to be fair I don't blame the people who run the sports attitude to people who only want to go back in time and moan anything new . ...to when thousands attended the average speedway match rather than the few hundred who attend now. Weird that. But yes, it's easier for the promoter to ask the few who go now why they still go rather than the countless thousands that no longer do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'm rather surprised anyone stays married because men have so many annoying habits, not just toilet seats. Squeezing toothpaste in any old place rather than from the bottom up, leaving doors/cupboards/drawers open so it's like a trail where they have been, never putting things back in the place they got them from and then wonder why they can't find them, constantly flicking through TV channels in case they're missing something. (That's what the TV magazine is for!) That had better be all for now but most women deserve a medal for putting up with them. Edited to put the quote in....and that's Phil's fault because if the pages contained just one more post I would have been okay. There my best features gemini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) ...to when thousands attended the average speedway match rather than the few hundred who attend now. Weird that. But yes, it's easier for the promoter to ask the few who go now why they still go rather than the countless thousands that no longer do. Forgetting that most of those thousands STOPPED going long before the changes being moaned about took place. Why did they stop going? Because things hadn't changed whilst over sports/entertainments around them were. Edited August 14, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonimac Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Just been over in the States for a couple of weeks. Went to a baseball game, second tier. Struck me as another family friendly sport. The big diffference? Facilities. Compact little stadium, full of seats, kids play area, bar with live band, it was Star Wars night so lots of kids dressed up, etc. Even if you were not a big fan, you can understand why so many turned up as it's a great night out. Admittedly, the sunshine did help. However, having been to Swindon, Eastbourne and Rye House recently, you can see that major investment is required in thise stadiums. Stadiums of enthusiastic fans, spending nearly twenty pounds. Problem is, where does the money come from for dragging the stadiums into the 21st century? You will never get your money back. So unless you happen to have a couple of millionaires waiting in the wings (the mighty Tigers), the local speedway track will be caught in a low budget / turnover that worked in the seventies with 2 or 3 thousand people, but now has to survive on a third of that number. Hats off to Nigel Pearson for his unrelenting promotion of the sport but when he was raving about the big crowd at Somerset on the telly, it sounded quite embarrassing when he mention there was "over a thousand" . Having left the sport for nearly twenty years, what struck me most when I returned a few years ago was nothing had been done to take care of the loyal fans, and attract new ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Forgetting that most of those thousands STOPPED going long before the changes being moaned about took place. Why did they stop going? Because things hadn't changed whilst over sports/entertainments around them were. Well the changes you talk about have not brought an influx of new Supporters have they? In fact they have driven a number of folk away. Hardly a success - even you must admit that BW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Well the changes you talk about have not brought an influx of new Supporters have they? In fact they have driven a number of folk away. Hardly a success - even you must admit that BW. Why would they bring crowds in, its just tinkering. The fundamentals remain the same, speedway is seen as a sport for old timers stuck in the past by the majority of young people today. Until that perception changes, it won't ever recover. Like you I much preferred speedway how it was in my youth, late 80's, early to mid 90's. However its gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Why would they bring crowds in, its just tinkering. The fundamentals remain the same, speedway is seen as a sport for old timers stuck in the past by the majority of young people today. Until that perception changes, it won't ever recover. Like you I much preferred speedway how it was in my youth, late 80's, early to mid 90's. However its gone. THAT is something we can agree on. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Forgetting that most of those thousands STOPPED going long before the changes being moaned about took place. Why did they stop going? Because things hadn't changed whilst over sports/entertainments around them were. You don't go somewhere for several years then decide to stop because things are the same as when you started going and got hooked, surely. Logically, folk are more likely to stop going if things DO change and aren't to their liking. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Would you still buy a Kodak camera? A vhs? A blackberry? How would u say Nokia's failure to reactbto the I phone went? Consumer demand changes, and successful businesses do not remain successful by doing what they did 40, or even 4, years ago. Bwitchers is spot on. It is speedways failure to adapt that is the issue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Would you still buy a Kodak camera? A vhs? A blackberry? How would u say Nokia's failure to reactbto the I phone went? Consumer demand changes, and successful businesses do not remain successful by doing what they did 40, or even 4, years ago. Bwitchers is spot on. It is speedways failure to adapt that is the issue I agree - but what good have changes already made done to improve things? My contention is that they have made things worse and my evidence for that is ever falling Crowds. Can you show me any benefits that changes made have made a positive improvement? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 I enjoyed watching Wednesdays poole v belle vue meeting, just as much as I did as a child standing on the terraces at west ham or Wimbledon over 40 years ago. The silly rules I can accept, but the unnecessary delays I cannot. Wether this is an age thing or not I don't know. Speedway is a professional sport run by a bunch of amateurs. Until it drags itself into the 21st century it has no chance of survival. The public will pay the money for a good well run product, at this moment in time the promoters in this country cannot provide this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) Would you still buy a Kodak camera? A vhs? A blackberry? How would u say Nokia's failure to reactbto the I phone went? Consumer demand changes, and successful businesses do not remain successful by doing what they did 40, or even 4, years ago. Bwitchers is spot on. It is speedways failure to adapt that is the issue I'd buy all of those if the one I had needed replacing or I wanted to renew but the newer versions weren't up to much or not to my liking. The products you mention have been superseded by superior products. Speedway's changes however, to some, have been to the detriment of the sport. Edited August 14, 2015 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 That's the point though. Speedway has been superseded by a range of alternative leisure time options that do cater to the wants of modern consumers, and what is left is the "hard core" a lot of whom just want things to be the way they always were. Speedway has barely changed, and the result is the empty spaces in the stands and terraces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 You don't go somewhere for several years then decide to stop because things are the same as when you started going and got hooked, surely. Logically, folk are more likely to stop going if things DO change and aren't to their liking. That is precisely what happens! In many walks of life. Fashions and interest change. I agree - but what good have changes already made done to improve things? My contention is that they have made things worse and my evidence for that is ever falling Crowds. Can you show me any benefits that changes made have made a positive improvement? Why do you keep trying to claim falling crowds as your evidence? Why did the many more thousands stop going BEFORE the changes you dislike? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Speedway should be advertised as a nasty dangerous sport with danger and thrills paramount.not a friendly happy product .those days have long gone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 It has to be said that there is an element who would be attracted to the sport by the prospect of crashes, I have been witness to that after speaking to people who were going to see a meeting for the first time. Perhaps this image could be used in the right way, showing spectacular crashes (albeit ones where riders get up and walk away) with passing sequences in a montage and stick it on sky and give it to all the teams to promote it in their areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) That is precisely what happens! In many walks of life. Fashions and interest change. Yes, they do. And people have the option to embrace the change or ditch the product. Edited August 14, 2015 by Vincent Blackshadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yes, they do. And people have the option to embrace the change or ditch the product. Exactly. Which is the opposite of what you posted earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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