Chris Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Something needs to be done, Karger clearly is not up to the Premier League standard. The days of beating most teams by 50 odd points at home are long gone and although the draw on Monday gave us some good racing we don't want draws and losses at home. One of the best riders in the league-Eddie can't keep carrying the team as he has done the last three years. Crowds will inevitably windle and the investment in the stadium will be a waste of time. That's the problem. Another year of rubbish results will just piss everyone off even more. The crowds will drift away and Ed will say goodbye. He has carried the team with rubbish around him & he thought about leaving this year as he was fed up of getting beat all the time. The new promotion at Glasgow got results straight away. If they needed to make changes they did. They didn't sit on their hands & knees & do nothing. They showed ambition & a winning mentality. I don't get the feeling that the new promotion at Rye are like that. They have made too many naive & strange decisions already & from the small snippets you read it seems their happy with results & performances which is worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 It was from when he started until last Friday according to the green sheets and also for the first 7 matches this season on the Scunthorpe web site. This is the reason why his official average has now dropped to 3.00. The '5 point' rule only applies to riders new to the PL in 2016. However the 4h 4a ruling still applies in calculating a true average although it is not allowed to be listed under 5.00. Therefore, once Rye House have completed their fourth away fixture at Peterborough on 15th May, Karger will no longer be on an assessed average so doesn't have to be included in a re-declaration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) That's the problem. Another year of rubbish results will just piss everyone off even more. The crowds will drift away and Ed will say goodbye. He has carried the team with rubbish around him & he thought about leaving this year as he was fed up of getting beat all the time. The new promotion at Glasgow got results straight away. If they needed to make changes they did. They didn't sit on their hands & knees & do nothing. They showed ambition & a winning mentality. I don't get the feeling that the new promotion at Rye are like that. They have made too many naive & strange decisions already & from the small snippets you read it seems their happy with results & performances which is worrying. So you have never heard of riders improving? Quite how you would have put up with the Rye teams of the 70's it took years to produce the great team of 1980.I accept the current side will struggle against the majority of sides who seem to have 4 good riders and its why Rye needed strong reserves. They can't carry Peter in the hope he will improve I'm afraid. Edited May 7, 2016 by GWC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) This is the reason why his official average has now dropped to 3.00. The '5 point' rule only applies to riders new to the PL in 2016. However the 4h 4a ruling still applies in calculating a true average although it is not allowed to be listed under 5.00. Therefore, once Rye House have completed their fourth away fixture at Peterborough on 15th May, Karger will no longer be on an assessed average so doesn't have to be included in a re-declaration. We're in that old familiar situation again, that's not what the regulations actually say. Edited May 7, 2016 by Alan Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 All very confusing if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) All very confusing if you ask me The 'five point average' rule might have something to do with visas. I know that this is not directly applicable to Karger but relevant to non EU riders who now come in on five as opposed to what it has been in the past. In other words it might be conditional, and visa is no longer valid if the rider drops below a five point average. However getting back to whether or not you can sack a 'five point' rider is just my assumption but it may be he cannot be replaced by a rider on an average less than five. These are from the 2016 regulations:= 18.6.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the PL racing is: Cat 1 8.00 Cat 2 7.00 Cat 3 5.00 Cat 4 3.00 18.6.2.1 No rider with an Assessed MA, other than the Category 4 rider, can drop below 5.00 at any time during the Season. 16.3.2 Riders with assessed MA’s (other than an assessed 3.00) cannot be removed from a PL Team re-declaration 16.2.7 An EL (not EDR) or PL rider starting the season with an Assessed MA will have an Established MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1 st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. In fact, based upon 16.2.7, Rye could re-declare now subject to revised MA. despite the fact that Karger's would have to stay at 5.00 as he could be removed now. Edited May 7, 2016 by tocha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 The 'five point average' rule might have something to do with visas. I know that this is not directly applicable to Karger but relevant to non EU riders who now come in on five as opposed to what it has been in the past. In other words it might be conditional a visa is no longer valid if the rider drops below a five point average. However getting back to whether or not you can sack a 'five point' rider is just my assumption but it may be he cannot be replaced by a rider on an average less than five. These are from the 2016 regulations:= 18.6.2 The Assessed MA's for new Riders to the PL racing is: Cat 1 8.00 Cat 2 7.00 Cat 3 5.00 Cat 4 3.00 18.6.2.1 No rider with an Assessed MA, other than the Category 4 rider, can drop below 5.00 at any time during the Season. 16.3.2 Riders with assessed MA’s (other than an assessed 3.00) cannot be removed from a PL Team re-declaration 16.2.7 An EL (not EDR) or PL rider starting the season with an Assessed MA will have an Established MA after 4 Home and 4 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1 st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares. In fact, based upon 16.2.7, Rye could re-declare now subject to revised MA. despite the fact that Karger's would have to stay at 5.00 as he could be removed now. Probably get turned down (in the best interests of British speedway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Mind boggling rules killing speedway,,Which should be such a simple sport to run..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 Mind boggling rules killing speedway,,Which should be such a simple sport to run..... If everyone played fair there wouldn't have to be so many rules. Unfortunately some teams will manipulate them to gain an unfair advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I think Karger may be hunting for a pen and ready to compose his resignation letter..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 How is Karger anywhere near the PL? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I hope your right, it's not fair to the rest of the team who may not all score in double figures, but who at least get some points, to have a rider in the team who only gets a point when 3 riders finish the race. Perhaps Karger is trying but he is clearly not up to Premier League standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 He would struggle to score points as a reserve in the nl. He really did look like a young kid doing his first laps on a 500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm sure if Peterborough can get Cook into their team on the premise of moving their dedicated race day then Rye Must seek to replace Peter with Rob Branford - a National league rider for an overseas import. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 Quote from the Rye website tonight “And even though Peter (Karger) struggled on the track, he was there for the team and helping out wherever he could, which highlights the spirit in the camp and how hard everyone is trying". My answer to that is he may be a nice person, a team player and helping other riders in the pits etc. but if he can't get points on the track I'm sorry but in the best interests of the team he has to go. We were lucky tonight to finish within 2 points of Ipswich which should give us a good chance on Saturday to progress in the cup but our luck is not going to hold out forever and when it runs out supporters will start drifting away and I don't think anyone wants to see that happening. Team BMR I hope you are taking on board comments made on this website by paying supporters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 12, 2016 Report Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) Thank the Lord we had Ben Morley firing at reserve tonight. Has there been a worse signing in recent memory than Peter Karger? Makes Kurt Shields look good. Even Dan Greenwood averaged more than this guy. Makes me nostalgic for Danny Maassen Edited May 12, 2016 by Shads 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 Ben Morley looked significantly improved IMO His contribution seems likely to decide the tie overall. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 need to get MPT while we can 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 need to get MPT while we can Heard a whisper he's already lined up somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted May 13, 2016 Report Share Posted May 13, 2016 MPT hasn't been that good this season, not sure why he's seen as the answer. That said he'd do better than Karger! I'd go for two changes personally, Karger and another out, Branford and a rider to score some points at the top end in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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