Wolverhampton V Swindon 10-8-15

[T.N.T.]

Didn't look at their averages, was going by the example given that Lindgren was the only 1pt rider.

 

Okay here's another example for you:

Morris & Batchelor were both over 7points. They wanted to bring in Ward but couldn't because they were not allowed 3 riders over 7 points.

 

THEN luckily for Swindon, in the meeting before the new averages came in, Batchelor hardly scored due to bike problems and his average went down and then they could have Ward

 

 

It has nothing to do with it.

 

Swindon started with Miedzinski and Batchelor as 7+ riders ...... Ward replaces Meidzinski and that is fine as Morris doesn't count.

 

 

Look at it this way that Poole (example) have Dakota North on 7.93 and Davey Watt on 7.11. That would mean they have four 7+ riders but Magic gets injured ....... are they only allowed to bring in a 6.99 or less rider ?

 

 

 

Zagar, Nicholls, Andersen, Harris, Iversen, Bjerre, Jonsson, Doyle, B Pedersen, Holder, Janowski, Meidzinski, Batchelor and Lindgren are the only 7+ riders that started the season and will be classed as 7+ all season.

 

Nick Morris, Peter Karlsson, Jonas Kylmakorpi etc are not classed as 7+ riders even now they are well over that.

[Steve0]

Didn't look at their averages, was going by the example given that Lindgren was the only 1pt rider.

Okay here's another example for you:

Morris & Batchelor were both over 7points. They wanted to bring in Ward but couldn't because they were not allowed 3 riders over 7 points.

THEN luckily for Swindon, in the meeting before the new averages came in, Batchelor hardly scored due to bike problems and his average went down and then they could have Ward

He sure is

[Anzum]

Very good meeting with some excellent heats. Harris was excellent, Troy rode very well but Darcy was on another level.

[T.N.T.]

Have to say that Darcy was way above anyone last night but when he had the chance (twice) he made sure he finished with a paid win rather than a win which helps the averages as despite getting paid 15 last night his average was 10.40

 

 

Had Batchelor not been split by Lindgren it may well have been 9.60 with 12+3

 

 

 

NOTE; This is not cheating ..... just being clever !!

[Grachan]

Look at it this way that Poole (example) have Dakota North on 7.93 and Davey Watt on 7.11. That would mean they have four 7+ riders but Magic gets injured ....... are they only allowed to bring in a 6.99 or less rider ?

No they can bring in a rider to replace Janowski up to his average. The ruling specifically states that.

 

"A Teams combined MA for the top 5 positions must not exceed 34.00 points nor include more

than 2 x Riders, whose MA exceeds 7.00 or 2 Doubling-Up Riders (satisfying the same

conditions as for the initial Team Declaration) when re-declared, either permanently or

temporarily, except where the MA of the introduced Rider is equal to, or lower than the Rider

being replaced. "

Edited August 11, 2015 by grachan

[stevebrum]

Didn't look at their averages, was going by the example given that Lindgren was the only 1pt rider.

Okay here's another example for you:

Morris & Batchelor were both over 7points. They wanted to bring in Ward but couldn't because they were not allowed 3 riders over 7 points.

THEN luckily for Swindon, in the meeting before the new averages came in, Batchelor hardly scored due to bike problems and his average went down and then they could have Ward

 

Good example of fiddling the rules.

 

 

Sorry to butt in on all the Swindon cheating posts but I should point out that teams/riders deliberately dropping points to manipulate averages in early season meetings, where even a home defeat doesn't matter thanks to the pokc format, are number 7 and 2 on the list of things the pokc sycophants are too thick to realise that the pokc actually does more harm than good.

Quite funny reading some of the guff about how many Morris would have scored after he managed one in the first meeting, someone suggested he would score 7,lol!

Talking of missing riders being replaced by ringers, it'll be interesting to see if both Zengota and the wobbly foreigner Swindon fans love in their team both turn up at Belle Vue on Monday.

Another boring sycophant post.

[Fourentee]

well I'm glad u have cleared that up then , because of how well Morris has performed this year we are well within our rights to call upon a reserve of equal average to replace him , no skullduggery involved , is this the case as Swindon are being dragged thro the proverbial as to cheating yet again ,

Really? By whom?

Edit: Cancel that, I've been rushing through the thread and not reading all the posts carefully.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Fourentee

[foreverblue]

I did apologise for butting in on your brill swindon cheating posts but the facts are without the pokc it simply would not be an option to write off nearly 4 months of the season would it? Once a team can do that then it follows that what you've been moaning about is an option within the rules.

Riders have been manipulating averages long before the play offs so as they get work the following season.

[waiheke1]

 

 

It has nothing to do with it.

 

Swindon started with Miedzinski and Batchelor as 7+ riders ...... Ward replaces Meidzinski and that is fine as Morris doesn't count.

 

 

Look at it this way that Poole (example) have Dakota North on 7.93 and Davey Watt on 7.11. That would mean they have four 7+ riders but Magic gets injured ....... are they only allowed to bring in a 6.99 or less rider ?

 

 

 

Zagar, Nicholls, Andersen, Harris, Iversen, Bjerre, Jonsson, Doyle, B Pedersen, Holder, Janowski, Meidzinski, Batchelor and Lindgren are the only 7+ riders that started the season and will be classed as 7+ all season.

 

Nick Morris, Peter Karlsson, Jonas Kylmakorpi etc are not classed as 7+ riders even now they are well over that.

People have quoted the relevant rule for you more than once.

Why do u persist on posting this nonsense?

[Grachan]

Quite funny reading some of the guff about how many Morris would have scored after he managed one in the first meeting, someone suggested he would score 7,lol! .

It can be hard to work out what you are babbling on about at times, but if that is a reference to my post allow me to explain.

 

Chris Harris scored 3,3,2,3 making 11. So I went through the heats dropping one place to see what the score would have been. Then dropping by 2 places. Then scoring 0.

 

So if Nick had ridden and scored 2,2,1,2 (ie 7) it came out at 40-50

If he had scored 1,1,0,1 it came out at 42-48

If he had scored 0,0,0,0 it came out at 45-45.

[hagonshocker]

Are you lot done clearing out your throats now?...............Or not?

 

Lets have a sing song whilst you decide............I will start for you............. seeing as you things start the arguments............

 

Here it goes.....................On second thoughts I cant be asked to feed you trolls anymore.

You are KKS orion............... not me.............

[T.N.T.]

People have quoted the relevant rule for you more than once.

Why do u persist on posting this nonsense?

 

Because I have quoted the way it works.

 

It doesn't matter if Magic and Holder both averaged 6.33 the only way Poole could bring in a 7+ rider is at the expense of one of those two.

 

Swindon can have Ward, Batchelor, Morris and Zengota all above 7 but they are only allowed two 7+ riders with a starting average over 7 and they are Ward and Batchelor

 

 

So Batchelor could have been 7.32 or 8.76 when Ward came in as Morris doesn't come under the ruling of a 7+ rider and the only difference would have been Swindon having to sign a 3+ rider at #2 instead of Krcmar 4.50

[SpecialOne]

 

Because I have quoted the way it works.

 

It doesn't matter if Magic and Holder both averaged 6.33 the only way Poole could bring in a 7+ rider is at the expense of one of those two.

 

Swindon can have Ward, Batchelor, Morris and Zengota all above 7 but they are only allowed two 7+ riders with a starting average over 7 and they are Ward and Batchelor

 

 

So Batchelor could have been 7.32 or 8.76 when Ward came in as Morris doesn't come under the ruling of a 7+ rider and the only difference would have been Swindon having to sign a 3+ rider at #2 instead of Krcmar 4.50

 

Is this clear enough for you SteveBrum?

[mdmc82]

People have quoted the relevant rule for you more than once.

Why do u persist on posting this nonsense?

T.N.T honestly doesn't seem to get that the averages change every month. Thats why you get a guest for the riders average at the time & not the average they started on. Luckily he's not in charge of team management lol. They don't seem able to get their head round the fact Morris has a +7 average at the time of team changes.

Honestly not sure if he really struggled to understand the way the rules written or just very deluded.

 

My sister recently had her 30th birthday however in T.N.T way of thinking she must still be 29 as she was at the beginning of the year 😂

Edited August 12, 2015 by mdmc82

[waiheke1]

 

Because I have quoted the way it works.

 

It doesn't matter if Magic and Holder both averaged 6.33 the only way Poole could bring in a 7+ rider is at the expense of one of those two.

 

Swindon can have Ward, Batchelor, Morris and Zengota all above 7 but they are only allowed two 7+ riders with a starting average over 7 and they are Ward and Batchelor

 

 

So Batchelor could have been 7.32 or 8.76 when Ward came in as Morris doesn't come under the ruling of a 7+ rider and the only difference would have been Swindon having to sign a 3+ rider at #2 instead of Krcmar 4.50

Can u explain why you think it works this way? And why you think the rule book which sets out how it works should be ignored in favour of your made up version?

 

Is this clear enough for you SteveBrum?

Except that it's fictitious nonsense that ignores the rule book?

[stevebrum]

Is this clear enough for you SteveBrum?

I've had it all along thanks.

You can only have 2 riders over 7 at anytime during the season - start or mid.

Someone will explain it to you.

[Grachan]

I've had it all along thanks.

You can only have 2 riders over 7 at anytime during the season - start or mid.

Someone will explain it to you.

 

 

You can have more than 2 riders over 7, even if you redeclare, as long as you already had more than 2 riders over 7.

 

So if you have 3 riders over 7 you can replace one with another rider who also has an average over 7 as long as the average is lower than the rider being replaced.

[SCB]

You can have more than 2 riders over 7, even if you redeclare, as long as you already had more than 2 riders over 7.

 

So if you have 3 riders over 7 you can replace one with another rider who also has an average over 7 as long as the average is lower than the rider being replaced.

Some people would tell you this is an example of speedways complicated rules. It's not, it's people wanting to make them complicated!

[CB252]

You can have more than 2 riders over 7, even if you redeclare, as long as you already had more than 2 riders over 7.

 

So if you have 3 riders over 7 you can replace one with another rider who also has an average over 7 as long as the average is lower than the rider being replaced.

Exactly, which is why Swindon had to re declare back under the 34 pt limit for the top 5 as Ward couldn't be introduced as a like for like replacement as his ave was half a point higher than Miedzinski.

 

Hence Howarth had to be released as well and Swindon rebuilt using these aves. Ward 8.70, Morris 7.96, Batch 6.92, Zengi 5.62 and Krcmar 4.50 which totals 33.70.

 

The fact remains that if Batchelor had been above 7 at the time of the re declaration Ward could not have been accommodated unless either Batch or Morris was dropped.

[stevebrum]

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The fact remains that if Batchelor had been above 7 at the time of the re declaration Ward could not have been accommodated unless either Batch or Morris was dropped.

 

Exactly, it's not hard to understand.