Grachan Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 And had the first 4 months of the season mattered it wouldn't have happened. Get it now? What wouldn't have happened? So Swindon wouldn't have signed Darcy Ward and would have spent the rest of the season using a 6 point PL rider at number one in front of crowds of about 500? Is that what you're saying? In that case, thank the Lord for the Play-offs. By the way, how come Belle Vue signed Ove Fundin mid season in 1967 then? They didn't have play-offs then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 And had the first 4 months of the season mattered it wouldn't have happened. Get it now? Yawn, it probably would as Swindon would still have been keen to get Ward in to the team to boost interest. After all, Lakeside were after him and they couldn't really make the Playoffs. Under your preferred format all teams bar Cov and Poole would now be average trimming for next year as they have nothing to ride for. There's pros and cons for the old format and the current, but bleating on like a stuck record is pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 If continually pointing out different negative features of the pokc is a stuck record then I'd suggest you don't understand what happens when a record gets stuck. If you want an example of a stuck record it would be the pokc sycophants cheering over and over again the two meetings with a good crowd in the rain at the end of the season and a few extra meaningful meetings for the mediocre mid table teams. There is nothing else ha ha. So why wouldn't Swindon have signed Darcy Ward if there hadn't been play-offs? A signing which, by the way, has had the immediate effect of increasing Swindon crowds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 LOL! Trust me, if it wasn't for the pokc nobody would be going on like a 'stuck record' about Swindon cheating. Well maybe (although, knowing this forum I doubt it). But that's not to say that it wouldn't have happened, which is what you said originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 LOL! Trust me, if it wasn't for the pokc nobody would be going on like a 'stuck record' about Swindon cheating. By the way, what happened to BWitcher's post about Belle Vue fans enjoying being one of the mediocre mid table teams? Of course we are enjoying it, just like the the two teams racing in the rain in the final will. What did you expect? There's absolutely no point discussing things with a troll. We all know your agenda, very little of it has anything to do with reality hence me deleting the post. Many teams manipulated averages in years gone by, more so than now in fact, FAR more so as it was easier to do so. Funnily enough, people complained about it then too. Of course none of this matters to you as it doesn't fit in with your agenda. The recent big crowds Belle Vue have had don't fit in with your agenda, so you don't mention them. However, you soon pipe up about the expected low crowd in the off night, second in a week, fixture against lowly Wolves. You're doing your best, as usual, to wind people up on the issue.. unfortunately, it's just viewed as something of a comedy act now. Feel free to reply with another load of your pokc sycophant nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 I'd suggest you don't understand what happens when a record gets stuck. It annoys the crap out of everyone until someone removes it from the turntable, snaps it in half and chucks it in the bin? You don't like the Playoffs, we get it. Fact is they have very little impact upon how many meetings during the course of the season are rendered meaningless. In the old days of a 17 team British League I'd wager that 12 teams season was effectively over by the end of June as they couldn't realistically top the table. I don't actually mind which format is in use as I've always attended regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) The only troll is you, you never add anything new to any thread ever, your posts are littered with bile with you constantly insult anyone who disagrees with your hackneyed point of view, time after time, post after post you tell people they are wrong, their opinion is irrevant not to mention numerous personal insults and anyone who disagrees with you, even when they give a considered example is a troll. You are a very very sad person. By the way, there were more at Belle Vue for the Wolves meeting than there were on Monday for lakeside. Feel free to ask any of your Belle Vue friends if I'm right. The crowds at Belle Vue have been constant, the Poole meeting was well attended other than that they've been about the same all season, and pretty much the same as last season. Belle Vue's improved gates over that period are to do with the new stadium rather than the pokc but at some point being a mediocre mid table team with something extra to race will surely show in an increased gate or there really would be nothing for people like you to go on about other than the two good meetings in the rain at the end of the season. It's not a case of liking anything, it's what is best for the future of the sport. There is a long list of negative features which are calmly ignored just because there are two good crowds for the final and the mid table teams have something to race for. The expected response, when called out, fire out the insults, not grasping the hypocrisy of them! Incidentally, I don't ever call anyone's opinions wrong. What I challenge is when people say things that are factually incorrect and try to claim its opinion. Its not, if it's wrong, it's wrong. I've been wrong on numerous occasions, difference is I hold my hands up and accept it. Edited August 12, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Sorry, got caught up in BWitcher's trolling so missed this. The 'it' I was referring to was the cheating, real or alleged. I've no idea if Swindon have ever signed a world class rider just to improve the show for their fans even when they can't win the league but Belle Vue have done it a couple of times at least. Except it has already been pointed out to you, by others and indeed by myself, that 'it', as in the cheating, real or alleged, has occurred many times previously BEFORE the POKC as you like to call it was around. So despite all your bluster about me adding nothing to the thread, I have.. It's simply you don't like it. Several Cradley teams in the 80's and early 90's are perfect examples and there have been many others. Now do try and discuss it in a civil manner. Edited to add: Your comments about manipulating averages for 4 months are also wrong. Even those most ardent in their accusations that Swindon cheated do not claim they were lowering averages for 4 months. IF it took place it was over a 4 or 5 match period to get Ward into the team. Edited August 12, 2015 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 As far as the edit is concerned, I've not accused Swindon of anything but for most of the first 4 months of the season they weren't much cop. Probably because they didn't have a number one for most of that time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) There was a spell where the champions were actually the best team over the whole league season, I believe you have seen a YouTube clip of the end of one such season. You are correct, the best team did used to win the league. However, not in the year that you keep quoting as any speedway fan with an ounce of knowledge knows Belle Vue won the league that year due to the insane amount of injuries Wolves suffered in the final quarter of the season. We know you don't like rule changes, but they suited Belle Vue that year, as by the rules in almost any other year of speedway you wouldn't have won. The fact that guests were only allowed for your No 1 that year was the deciding factor. Not that this should take anything away from the drama of the final match, Belle Vue deservedly won on that night to become champions. Indeed, much as you like to use this example as to how brilliant the old system was, it actually proves the opposite.. rather than have such a tremendous spine tingling climax once every 20 years or so, we now get it every year instead. Edited August 12, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 So how many play off finals have been in the rain then? Is it making the end of season more exciting for fans of five teams that still have a chance of qualifying? Who is testing engines? Injuries are part of the sport, they rarely even themselves out, whether we have play offs or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Okay I give in the pokc final in the rain is great! Ah the good old days. Not one league title was ever decided late in the season in poor weather when 2 or 3 teams were fighting for the title. Probably as many play offs have been decided. Glad to be a sycophant, long live the plays offs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Ah the good old days. Not one league title was ever decided late in the season in poor weather when 2 or 3 teams were fighting for the title. Probably as many play offs have been decided. Glad to be a sycophant, long live the plays offs. Long live the sycophants! Bring on the play offs. Has he got any cogs left to drop!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Long live the sycophants! Bring on the play offs. Has he got any cogs left to drop!! The cogs were last seen active in the 70's no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) T.N.T honestly doesn't seem to get that the averages change every month. Thats why you get a guest for the riders average at the time & not the average they started on. Luckily he's not in charge of team management lol. They don't seem able to get their head round the fact Morris has a +7 average at the time of team changes. Honestly not sure if he really struggled to understand the way the rules written or just very deluded. My sister recently had her 30th birthday however in T.N.T way of thinking she must still be 29 as she was at the beginning of the year Yes Morris can have a guest according to his average but he is not counted as a 7+ rider when changes are made and as long as the team is 34.00 or lower or the rider coming in has a lower average than the rider being replaced then a team can have more than two riders averaging over seven. EXAMPLE; Dakota North 7.97, Chris Holder 7.18, Maciej Janowski 6.98, Davey Watt 6.32, Kacper Gomolski 4.54 = 32.99 Krzysztof Kasprzak 7.96 wants to return so Poole apply to bring him back. They can't bring him in for Dakota North as it would mean they have KK, Janowski and Holder as 7+ riders from the starting CMA's They can have a guest for North in these examples but can only bring KK in with these averages to replace Janowski to give them KK and Holder as 7+ riders. Why do I think this is right ...... because this has been told to me by two people that should know. PS; Happy 29th Birthday to your sister Edited August 13, 2015 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Ok. So the rule book is wrong and they are right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 PS; Happy 29th Birthday to your sister That was nearly18 months ago!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) That was nearly18 months ago!! Lol, he makes up his own rules .Ok. So the rule book is wrong and they are right?I honest think T.N.T is just trolling now as several posters have corrected him but still doesn't get it. Edited August 13, 2015 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Do you think then that the rule book allows for this example to happen BELLE VUE start the season with Zagar and Nicholls as the 7+ riders with Cook, Stead and Fricke.. However when Stead is injured Zagar and Nicholls are averaging 6.89 and 6.74 with Cook 6.22 and Fricke 4.71. With 9.54 left to get back to 34 can they drop Fricke now leaving 14.25 and sign Tai Woffinden 7.03 and Kenni Larsen 7.11 I have to say they couldn't as Zagar and Nicholls already are listed as the 7+ riders and even if Cook was averaging over seven, he is not listed as one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Do you think then that the rule book allows for this example to happen BELLE VUE start the season with Zagar and Nicholls as the 7+ riders with Cook, Stead and Fricke.. However when Stead is injured Zagar and Nicholls are averaging 6.89 and 6.74 with Cook 6.22 and Fricke 4.71. With 9.54 left to get back to 34 can they drop Fricke now leaving 14.25 and sign Tai Woffinden 7.03 and Kenni Larsen 7.1. Yes. That's exactly what it allows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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