Wolverhampton V Swindon 10-8-15

[stevebrum]

The view through them looks a lot better than those Green Ones you wear - envy really is not a good look for you.

Never envy cheats, only pity.

Those green tints can see the obvious, unlike the red ones.

Mon the aces.

[SpecialOne]

Never envy cheats, only pity.

Those green tints can see the obvious, unlike the red ones.

Mon the aces.

 

I feel pity for Freddie and the Wolves promotion this season too.

Were you even there last night Steve? Was keeping an eagle eye out for you but there was no trace. I would have got you a lukewarm tea or coffee.

[DC2]

Never envy cheats, only pity.

 

 

 

And does that apply to Freddie & PK dropping it in the Wolves-Swindon final ??? ............. thought not!

[SpecialOne]

 

 

And does that apply to Freddie & PK dropping it in the Wolves-Swindon final ??? ............. thought not!

 

Good old SteveBrum and his double standards

[stevebrum]

I feel pity for Freddie and the Wolves promotion this season too. Were you even there last night Steve? Was keeping an eagle eye out for you but there was no trace. I would have got you a lukewarm tea or coffee.

 

You have, as expected, selective reading. Read my earlier posts in the thread if you really want to know the answer to that question, I always replied to your question earlier in the day.

 

And does that apply to Freddie & PK dropping it in the Wolves-Swindon final ??? ............. thought not!

 

Why aren't you mentioning Zagar, Holder, Bjerre, Andersen as well? Strange that.

 

Good old SteveBrum and his double standards

So just how are Wolves benefiting from poor form for Freddie? Has he lowered his average to get a new rider in?? NOPE.

Are we lowering his average so we can fit Tai, Piotr, Nicki P in next year?? They don't want to ride EL so NOPE.

If you can come up with a credible reason for Freddie dropping his average you might just have a point. The truth is you won't or don't.

No dodgy average dropping to bring riders in for us however. Shame we don't try cheat like Swindon.

[TesarRacing]

We all know SteveBrum is bitter and hates the Robins which makes this result such a sweet one. Play offs or not it was worth it to see his excuses and accusations which based on no fact but his just own biased opinion.

 

 

 

Good old SteveBrum and his double standards

 

Not so. Not a case of hating the Robins. Whatever you say about Steve, he is always consistent and won't condone cheating/rule manipulating etc. And IMO, would be the first to criticise the Wolves promotion if there were any suspicion of it going on.

Edited August 11, 2015 by TesarRacing

[stevebrum]

Not so. Not a case of hating the Robins. Whatever you say about Steve, he is always consistent and won't condone cheating/rule manipulating etc. And IMO, would be the first to criticise the Wolves promotion if there were any suspicion of it going on.

 

Thanks for pointing out the obvious to anyone who has ever read my posts TR. I couldn't be any more consistent if I tried.It's a shame the (not so) special one reads so blindly that they have shot themselves in the foot by being so biased and red tinted.

Sometimes you just have to wait for certain posters to show themselves up, so thanks to the special one for that.

[T.N.T.]

Never envy cheats, only pity.

Those green tints can see the obvious, unlike the red ones.

Mon the aces.

 

 

1 = Swindon had no problem in fitting in Ward, whatever calculations you make the only difference is to who they could sign as the fifth rider to replace Howarth. They ended up being allowed to field Eduard Krcmar 4.50 but could have easily signed a 3+ rider instead.

 

Batchelor on a 6+ average still counted as a 7+ rider for team building purposes

 

 

2 - Using starting averages Swindon's current team would have had a combined average of 33.24 compared to the 33.52 of their original team that started in March.

 

 

People may want their teams to make changes or bring in certain riders but when a team does this and makes them title contenders from nowhere it has to be down to cheating rather than well managed team organisation and timing

It doesn't work like that. You are only allowed two 7pt riders at anytime throughout the year regardless of what they started on.

 

 

If this was the rule then once Morris gained a 7+ average Swindon would not have been allowed to track Batchelor or Miedzinski (guest) which is why only the starting averages in March are judged to be 7+ riders.

 

 

It would also mean that for EXAMPLE ONLY Holder and Janowski could have got their averages below 7 in order for Linback and Ward to come in mid season. However this would have meant four 7+ riders.

 

 

Freddie Lindgren 6.48 is third in the Wolves averages but remains the only 7+ rider in the team and the same with Andreas Jonsson at Lakeside and Jason Doyle at Leicester regardless of what others are scoring.

[stevebrum]

1 = Swindon had no problem in fitting in Ward, whatever calculations you make the only difference is to who they could sign as the fifth rider to replace Howarth. They ended up being allowed to field Eduard Krcmar 4.50 but could have easily signed a 3+ rider instead.

 

Batchelor on a 6+ average still counted as a 7+ rider for team building purposes

 

 

2 - Using starting averages Swindon's current team would have had a combined average of 33.24 compared to the 33.52 of their original team that started in March.

 

 

People may want their teams to make changes or bring in certain riders but when a team does this and makes them title contenders from nowhere it has to be down to cheating rather than well managed team organisation and timing

 

 

If this was the rule then once Morris gained a 7+ average Swindon would not have been allowed to track Batchelor or Miedzinski (guest) which is why only the starting averages in March are judged to be 7+ riders.

 

 

It would also mean that for EXAMPLE ONLY Holder and Janowski could have got their averages below 7 in order for Linback and Ward to come in mid season. However this would have meant four 7+ riders.

 

 

Freddie Lindgren 6.48 is third in the Wolves averages but remains the only 7+ rider in the team and the same with Andreas Jonsson at Lakeside and Jason Doyle at Leicester regardless of what others are scoring.

Prior to Ward signing Swindle had 2 riders over 7. Can't be dressed any other way.

[Grachan]

Prior to Ward signing Swindle had 2 riders over 7. Can't be dressed any other way.

The thing is, the rule was made to allow for an equal distribution of heatleaders. Swindon had one proper heatleader at the start of the year, in Troy Bachelor.

 

They had no real number one. Miedzinski was signed as a number one, but he was never one really other than by average. Swindon then lost him in his first match.

 

So we were left with just one rider over 7.

 

Sure, Nick Morris upped his average to over 7, but none other than you yourself was going on yesterday as if he was hopeless because Swindon were using Harris for him, so does he or does he not really count as a proper heatleader in your book?

 

Without a number one, Swindon were stuffed. If the opportunity to bring Darcy Ward into the side was there, and to do it we just had to bring Troy Bachelor down a couple of tenths, then so bleeding what.

 

You can bang on about cheating as much as you like, but the fact is Swindon were in trouble and would have been down at the bottom of the league now and using PL 6 pointers at number one without that.

 

If you'd rather have that then that's fine, but thankfully our promotion showed a bit of nouse and brought one of the best riders in the World in. Now our crowds are up about 33% instead of down about 50%.

 

So good for Rosco. Thankfully not all promotions are satisfied to be losers.

 

Call me a "red tint" if you like, but I'd have said the same about any other team had they done the same.

Edited August 11, 2015 by grachan

[SpecialOne]

Exactly, I wonder how many of SteveBrum's 23,000 posts have actually been about something productive or thoughtful, not just resentful of others

[mdmc82]

 

 

1 = Swindon had no problem in fitting in Ward, whatever calculations you make the only difference is to who they could sign as the fifth rider to replace Howarth. They ended up being allowed to field Eduard Krcmar 4.50 but could have easily signed a 3+ rider instead.

 

Batchelor on a 6+ average still counted as a 7+ rider for team building purposes

 

 

2 - Using starting averages Swindon's current team would have had a combined average of 33.24 compared to the 33.52 of their original team that started in March.

 

 

People may want their teams to make changes or bring in certain riders but when a team does this and makes them title contenders from nowhere it has to be down to cheating rather than well managed team organisation and timing

 

 

 

If this was the rule then once Morris gained a 7+ average Swindon would not have been allowed to track Batchelor or Miedzinski (guest) which is why only the starting averages in March are judged to be 7+ riders.

 

 

It would also mean that for EXAMPLE ONLY Holder and Janowski could have got their averages below 7 in order for Linback and Ward to come in mid season. However this would have meant four 7+ riders.

 

 

Freddie Lindgren 6.48 is third in the Wolves averages but remains the only 7+ rider in the team and the same with Andreas Jonsson at Lakeside and Jason Doyle at Leicester regardless of what others are scoring.

You are really not getting it. Lindgren is not a 7pt rider now so Wolves could bring in 2 7pt riders and be in the rules.

 

When you re-declare it goes by the averages of that month.

[DunRobin]

You are really not getting it. Lindgren is not a 7pt rider now so Wolves could bring in 2 7pt riders and be in the rules.

 

When you re-declare it goes by the averages of that month.

It's nice to see a post by someone that knows the rules. He's not right about Wolves being able to bring in 2 7 point riders, unless they drop PK as his average in the current green sheet averages is 7.04.

[stevebrum]

The thing is, the rule was made to allow for an equal distribution of heatleaders. Swindon had one proper heatleader at the start of the year, in Troy Bachelor.They had no real number one. Miedzinski was signed as a number one, but he was never one really other than by average. Swindon then lost him in his first match.So we were left with just one rider over 7.Sure, Nick Morris upped his average to over 7, but none other than you yourself was going on yesterday as if he was hopeless because Swindon were using Harris for him, so does he or does he not really count as a proper heatleader in your book?Without a number one, Swindon were stuffed. If the opportunity to bring Darcy Ward into the side was there, and to do it we just had to bring Troy Bachelor down a couple of tenths, then so bleeding what.You can bang on about cheating as much as you like, but the fact is Swindon were in trouble and would have been down at the bottom of the league now and using PL 6 pointers at number one without that.If you'd rather have that then that's fine, but thankfully our promotion showed a bit of nouse and brought one of the best riders in the World in. Now our crowds are up about 33% instead of down about 50%.So good for Rosco. Thankfully not all promotions are satisfied to be losers.Call me a "red tint" if you like, but I'd have said the same about any other team had they done the same.

 

Swindon had 2 heat leader standard riders at the start of the season, there can be no dispute that Miedzinski isn't top 1 or 2 standard. Likewise Bachelor. Effectively Morris doing so well replaced AM giving you 2 heat leaders. I fully understand the point that to make your season happen you would have wanted a number one. I get it, I see it. However when it's glaringly obvious what needs to happen for that to become reality AND it happens (Batch dropping his average) it's something that I personally find distasteful.

You are one of the more open minded Swindon supporters so it's nice to have an adult conversation force change.

 

 

Exactly, I wonder how many of SteveBrum's 23,000 posts have actually been about something productive or thoughtful, not just resentful of others

Better than having a 100% of you're 71 I guess.

Maybe if you read my posts properly you wouldn't be made into a laughing stock by making wild assumptions.

Gives me a titter anyway.

Mon the Aces.

[mdmc82]

It's nice to see a post by someone that knows the rules. He's not right about Wolves being able to bring in 2 7 point riders, unless they drop PK as his average in the current green sheet averages is 7.04.

Referring to the starting line up.

 

The point is you are only allowed TWO 7point riders at any time (based on the averages at the time)

This doesn't just mean at the start of the season but when re-declaring your team unless a like for like swap.

 

I'm really not sure what's so confusing about it 😜

[BritPete]

How many aliases are there now? 30 + is my guess

[DunRobin]

Referring to the starting line up.

 

The point is you are only allowed TWO 7point riders at any time (based on the averages at the time)

This doesn't just mean at the start of the season but when re-declaring your team unless a like for like swap.

 

I'm really not sure what's so confusing about it

Yes but you seem to be saying that Wolves could bring in 2 7 point riders in addition to PK & that is not correct, they could re-declare with 2 7 point riders However the rule does not mean that you can't have more than 2 7 point averages in your team when their averages increase, it is only if you re-declare.

[mdmc82]

Yes but you seem to be saying that Wolves could bring in 2 7 point riders in addition to PK & that is not correct, they could re-declare with 2 7 point riders However the rule does not mean that you can't have more than 2 7 point averages in your team when their averages increase, it is only if you re-declare.

Didn't look at their averages, was going by the example given that Lindgren was the only 1pt rider.

 

Okay here's another example for you:

Morris & Batchelor were both over 7points. They wanted to bring in Ward but couldn't because they were not allowed 3 riders over 7 points.

 

THEN luckily for Swindon, in the meeting before the new averages came in, Batchelor hardly scored due to bike problems and his average went down and then they could have Ward

[thecoombdog]

Didn't look at their averages, was going by the example given that Lindgren was the only 1pt rider.

 

Okay here's another example for you:

Morris & Batchelor were both over 7points. They wanted to bring in Ward but couldn't because they were not allowed 3 riders over 7 points.

 

THEN luckily for Swindon, in the meeting before the new averages came in, Batchelor hardly scored due to bike problems and his average went down and then they could have Ward

To be fair to Batch he had hardly scored all season up to that point!

[whowasthatberntpersson]

Good meeting last night, some very entertaining speedway. Darcy Ward was superb, apart from the young Czech, everyone contributed for the Robins

Wolves have put together a team of steady eddies, and were never likely to do much this year. Quite a boring septet imo.

The natives are getting restless, even Mr Adams starting to get some blame.

Its a shame because the racing at Monmore can be so good.

A couple of real racers who aren't over the hill would make the world of difference for Wolves....meanwhile the Robins look to be serious challengers now. The Ward effect has made the difference.