IainB Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Anybody interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'll be there. Looking forward to seeing AJ and unless things go badly wrong, 3 points for the Aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Lakeside are stronger for R/R but really weak reserves. If AJ is even slightly off it then BV should be hitting at least 50. Need to buckle up now, make sure we win all our home meetings as a minimum going into the business end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Doubt if many will attend this one, not anything to do with it being important for Belle Vue to win so they will be in the play offs but more to do with the lack of opposition who most likely will roll over very easily. I certainly can't see many Lakeside fans turning up expecting to get easily beaten who have no chance of making the play offs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 BV have been getting decent crowds this year. Certainly up to the top as far that goes. There is a lot more enthusiasm given that we are least competitive and have something to race for now. It's been a long time The issue with Wednesday is last one was called off when fans were in stadium and paid up Colin doesn't get to the track until later so can't determine what the state is and that is the biggest crowd factor But tonight should be normal as we had no meeting on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 This is one of the meetings that the pokc sycophants correctly tell us would have been meaningless in the bad old days of 'best team over the whole season are champions' . What would have almost certainly been our lowest gate of the season will probably be the biggest as pokc fever hits Manchester. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few over from Sheffield and maybe a few Bradford/Halifax fans making the journey to taste that special pokc atmosphere. Best advice is get there early, tapes up 8pm on the dot. Thanks to the pokc no need for reduced admission tonight, oh no! I hear Belle Vue are getting better attendances this season, most likely due to the improved performance of the team and of course being in contention for the play offs definately helps otherwise they wouldn't bother would they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I hear Belle Vue are getting better attendances this season, most likely due to the improved performance of the team and of course being in contention for the play offs definately helps otherwise they wouldn't bother would they.Must admit, I've hardly been this season, regardless of position in the league, simply had enough of farcical encounters with 'select teams' week in week out around the country as Speedway masquerades itself as a 'professional sport' When it's not worth winning a competition with so little integrity, it's not worth paying a ridiculous entrance fee to watch it... Missing most of this years meetings has meant though that the 'Cardiff fund' was well covered so 'every cloud and all that'....! Four Lakeside riders there tonight, eight guests/double uppers/downers/in/out/shake it all abouters, oh the okey cokey, cokey.... You put three riders in, you take four riders out, in out, in out etc etc.. Happy days..... Edited July 29, 2015 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 c'mon Arena... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Lakeside look like they could be heading for their first away win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Oh no they're not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Congratulations Belle Vue although they made hard work of it. Another 3 points in the play off race. Lakeside did well to keep it close for so long esp when you look at the reserve pairing they had to use. Edited July 29, 2015 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Good result for the Aces made even better by watching the updates from Poole. Some decent races but not a lot of passing. Lakeside did better than expected although relied mainly on two riders, Jonsson and Bech, who were both impressive. Clegg did better than his points suggest and fought hard. Don't know why Jonsson was replaced in the race when he and Zagar were excluded for tape offences. If he had started on 15 meters with Zagar there was every chance he would have scored at least a point whereas putting Clegg in was always likely to end with him finishing last. Also, why no Jonsson in heat 15 when it was still possible for Lakeside to earn a point? For the Aces a solid team performance, it took too long to get going but I always felt we would win comfortably. Nasty fall for Bech in heat 15. He walked back to the pits so hopefully he is ok. Interestingly, it was Craig Cook who stopped and spent time making sure he was ok whilst he was still down on the track and nice to see Neil Vatcher shaking his hand to thank him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Don't know why Jonsson was replaced in the race when he and Zagar were excluded for tape offences. If he had started on 15 meters with Zagar there was every chance he would have scored at least a point whereas putting Clegg in was always likely to end with him finishing last.. Jonsson wasn't excluded for tapes offence, he moved in first running and was warned and then in rerun he moved again which caused Zagar to go through the tapes, Zagar rightly excluded for tapes but Jonsson was excluded for presumably delaying the start which you can't go 15m from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I know he was excluded for moving at the tapes I was just using tape offence as shorthand to cover both riders. However, I hadn't thought through that he couldn't then go off 15m.Still puzzled as to why Jonsson didn't go in heat 15 with a league point at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Jonsson wasn't excluded for tapes offence, he moved in first running and was warned and then in rerun he moved again which caused Zagar to go through the tapes, Zagar rightly excluded for tapes but Jonsson was excluded for presumably delaying the start which you can't go 15m from That is a farce surely. The ref is excluding a rider for 'delaying the start', so surely the start hasn't happened.. The ref is also saying he was the 'cause'. So how does Zagar get excluded? It's the equivalent of a rider wiping another out, being excluded for foul riding and then excluding the one who got knocked off for not clearing the track. I know he was excluded for moving at the tapes I was just using tape offence as shorthand to cover both riders. However, I hadn't thought through that he couldn't then go off 15m.Still puzzled as to why Jonsson didn't go in heat 15 with a league point at stake. Neil Vatcher is a tactical genius! Edited July 30, 2015 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 What surprised me was that 3 riders weren't excluded from heat 13 for leaving the track after an unsatisfactory start, the ref called them back immediately and put the 2 mins on and only Nicholls stayed out on the track. It would have been farcical but rules is rules 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The value of the pokc was apparent tonight with a decent crowd for the vital qualifier. If only they could come up with something that gave us mid table teams something to race for in the second half of the season without spoiling meetings involving the top teams. Poor old lakeside hosted the top team on Monday and had to slash the admission price to get anyone to bother, in the bad old days the top teams used to attract bigger and bigger gates the closer the end of the season got, but now the pokc qualification is secure it's no more than a practice for the powerhouse teams with the carrot of a couple of decent gates in the rain at the end of the season. Surely the clever promoters could do better? So, back to tonight, in front of a decent crowd it was a close score up to heat 12 and some very close racing but not much actual passing which wouldn't have gone down well with the usual suspects. Lakeside were lightning from the gate helped by several massive rollers. Quite ironic after Vacher was caught whining on the phone to the referee about Garrity on telly the other day. It all unravelled big time in heat 13. Jonsson was pulled back and warned and then did it again, derr! Trouble was Zagar somehow got suckered (from the outside though?) and clearly blamed Jonsson who was excluded for ignoring the warning. We were joking that Lemon would tell Worrall to get ready to make it look like he was going to replace Zagar, hoping that Vacher would fall for it and put Clegg in instead of putting Jonsson off 15m. Don't know if that's what happened but unbelievably the result was the same. One of those 'this may surprise some of you' moments, lol! Quite how we won by so many is a bit of a mystery, Jonsson, Bech, Kennett and Clegg were great value. Bech was going for it in heat15 when it looked like his footrest snagged the fence and threw him off. He was getting to his feet as we were on the way out so I hope it wasn't that bad but it looked nasty. Main reason we are getting better gates is we are on local telly a lot more. The promotion are very busy getting the word out about the new stadium, I don't understand why other promoters don't do the same because it works. They started advertising the opening meeting a few weeks ago ans there were quite on here a few scoffing about it being much too early, well they've sold all the seats already. It's surprising what a bit of actual promoting can achieve isn't it? i have always maintained that local advertising is very beneficial, our local has the Pirates mentioned every day and regular news even in the winter, added to the close proximity the track is to town which also helps as most tracks these days are nowhere near the town they are mean't to represent. Surprising how much fight Lakeside had considering their position, we did used to have a system that included the top six or we could, like i believe Poland do which is first v bottom etc. The reason Lakeside slashed prices is to tempt people who would otherwise watch on tv, when it is on tv all clubs should reduce prices. Last night's Poole meeting was very well attended which was most likely the Darcy effect and it wasn't on tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 What surprised me was that 3 riders weren't excluded from heat 13 for leaving the track after an unsatisfactory start, the ref called them back immediately and put the 2 mins on and only Nicholls stayed out on the track. It would have been farcical but rules is rules That was after the rerun was stopped, the first time when Jonsson moved they went straight back to tapes. After two attempted starts they allowed back in pits I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Jonsson wasn't excluded for tapes offence, he moved in first running and was warned and then in rerun he moved again which caused Zagar to go through the tapes, Zagar rightly excluded for tapes but Jonsson was excluded for presumably delaying the start which you can't go 15m from Wrong. A rider can go off 15 metres for any starting offence. (This includes returning to the pits during a restart, iilegal gardening, not obeying the start marshal, delaying the start, missing the 2 minute allowance, preventing the raising of the starting gate, or touching the tapes. However only one rider can go off 15 metres. So if someone is already on 15 metres and another rider makes a starting offence, the second rider can only be replaced by a reserve. If 2 riders are excluded at the same time, god knows which one gets the 15 metre option! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 21.11 Tape-touching, delaying starts and/or two-minute disqualifications are subject to a 15-metre handicapping, NOT replacement. 21.12 Fair enough, bizarre Jonsson didn't go 15m back then, must have spat his dummy out and then refused to go in Heat 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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