foreverblue Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 In fairness he did get 6 points last time and rosco put him in heat 15! He has showed much improved form lately and was good at another small track recently, 16 at Wolves so not that surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 In fairness he did get 6 points last time and rosco put him in heat 15! He has showed much improved form lately and was good at another small track recently, 16 at Wolves so not that surprising. Pleasantly surprised me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 1. Every team except Leicester has won at Lakeside this year and I never made excuses for any of those, and I am not making excuses for this defeat. 2. When I posted after the Belle Vue meeting I specifically made a pointed reference to Zengota being "hopeless" . That is not a term I normally use to describe riders, in fact I don't think I ever have, but in that match he stood out as being exceptionally poor. I didn't criticise any of the other riders in that way. This was a rider people had been describing as "the man in form" . I made specific reference to the fact that he didn't even beat Adam Ellis, so it's not as if I hadn't highlighted the fact that something was not right. Â Â People can have a different opinion, but having seen both matches it certainly seemed a remarkable transformation to me, especially in the space of a short period of time. Riders do improve on tracks they previously could not score on. Maybe it was the Darcy Ward effect, who knows,but he has never been that good at Lakeside before. Â However,there's a world of difference between saying that you thought that something was not "quite right" compared with accusing him of blatant cheating. If his cheating was so blatant, then surely you would have noticed it, and commented on it,on that night.That was my point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Riders do improve on tracks they previously could not score on. Maybe it was the Darcy Ward effect, who knows,but he has never been that good at Lakeside before. However,there's a world of difference between saying that you thought that something was not "quite right" compared with accusing him of blatant cheating. If his cheating was so blatant, then surely you would have noticed it, and commented on it,on that night.That was my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Good fightback for Swindon tonight. 👍🏻 looking good now for 4th spot. Â (Coombdog, I called it right lol) Long way to go yet but yes you got last night spot on which has obviously pleased me! If we can win at BV and Wolves and win all our home matches then it might be enough. Â Ward might only be with us for a few months but what a difference it makes having a number 1 who can be relied on to win races. Class act that lad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Riders do improve on tracks they previously could not score on. Maybe it was the Darcy Ward effect, who knows,but he has never been that good at Lakeside before. However,there's a world of difference between saying that you thought that something was not "quite right" compared with accusing him of blatant cheating. If his cheating was so blatant, then surely you would have noticed it, and commented on it,on that night.That was my point. The word I used last time was "hopeless" . If you check the thread another poster described him as "unbelieivably poor" as a guest f or Belle Vue and also noted he was supposed to be the man in form. Â It is just an opinion, and riders do improve but based on what I saw that is my opinion, rightly or wrongly . It would need to be a remarkable improvement in the space of a few weeks. It can't be proved or disproved but would say these things never go on in speedway especially when qualication for the play offs is concerned ? Think Poole 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 The word I used last time was "hopeless" . If you check the thread another poster described him as "unbelieivably poor" as a guest f or Belle Vue and also noted he was supposed to be the man in form. Â It is just an opinion, and riders do improve but based on what I saw that is my opinion, rightly or wrongly . It would need to be a remarkable improvement in the space of a few weeks. It can't be proved or disproved but would say these things never go on in speedway especially when qualication for the play offs is concerned ? Think Poole 2009. I think the most important comment on that topic is the Person who put this comment . They have had the whole season to line up suitable guests.. If they bothered to check they would have seen Zengota scored six points from six rides when he came with Swindon and was probably the worst possible choice of guest . Â Who do you reckon said that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 European Championship? I didn't think you could have a guest for a rider in the European Championships?Im certain you don't. Illegal use of guest? Or was he racing somewhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialOne Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) Well well well what a result. Superb couple of days for Robins fans across the country. I was only in attendance for Thursday's fixture but full marks to Lakeside for making 2 memorable meetings also.With the Zengi comments, is it a bit of a dumb play by the Aces promotion to choose a guest rider who rides for the team directly in competition for one spot.Not as dumb as some of the words of SteveBrum who has once again been made to look very silly by this result and eat his words in a public forum. Too stuff. Edited August 3, 2015 by SpecialOne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Very proud of our patched up Robins team tonight, well deserved win at a very difficult track, not many teams go there and win. every team bar Leicester have won at Lakeside this year. I think the tactical rider rule needs looking at as clearly that was the main reason for Robins getting back into the match. Hammers off to a flyer, Swindon get use to the track and required settings and then wham..big points and no real chance for Hammer to do likewise. My suggestion would be limit the use of tactical rides to heats 11, 12 & 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Not everyone is fickle and swayed by a few good scores. Jealousy will get you knowhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) With the axe go comments, is t it a bit of a dumb play by the Aces promotion to choose a guest rider who rides for the team directly in competition for one spot.Why would it be dumb? Unless you are suggesting the rider performed badly whilst guesting for his play off opponents on purpose. TBH I prefer your honesty about you cheating instead of this faux shock and denial from some robins fans. Edited August 1, 2015 by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Not as dumb as some of the words of SteveBrum who has once again been made to look very silly by this result and eat his words in a public forum. Too stuff. Which words? What about the words of some of the Swindon fans who said they stood no chance last night? Â I didn't think Swindon were good enough to make the play offs and had the Aces in the driving seat for 4th. Wins on Monday and Friday might mean I need to revisit that. It's not like it would be the first time I've been wrong, last time I looked it wasn't against the law. Unlike some I'm happy to admit when I wrong let's face it I got Wolves hopes for this year spectacularly wrong. If I'm wrong about Swindon I certainly won't be losing any sleep about it, likewise the comments of this poster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialOne Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) The point is if Zengi scored poor this would always be a potential argument. I haven't heard the Aces management complain at all about him. Zengi has been a sensation all season and was another masterstroke from the great Lord Rossiter. Â Comments such as you are going to see the 'cheating robins' do come across a tad on the sour side. Edited August 1, 2015 by SpecialOne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 [quote name="SpecialOne" post="2656974" timestamp="1438424401" Â Comments such as you are going to see the 'cheating robins' do come across a tad on the sour side. Â It's called being consistent. I have slated Poole in the past for doing exactly the same thing (manipulating averages, dodgy engine failures) and it's something I detest. Â Nothing 'sour' about those comments even if Ward had chosen Wolves I doubt we would be challenging for a top 4 place. I've already accepted our season is over so I can hardly be sour as I couldn't care less who wins or makes the play offs. However at least I am consistent in my views and maybe some Swindon fans know what most Poole fans must feel when their club accused of abusing the rules (simply because there is no rule to say you can't underperform to lower averages to bring in a new rider doesn't make it right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65Sarge Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I don't really get all this Zengi never tried at Lakeside for the Aces cheating accusation. I haven't seen anyone saying Hans cheated on Thursday at Swindon by not trying despite his very very poor return. People have off nights, no racer will ever not try, it's a fact of a sport like speedway where performance is linked to so many factors mechanical, physical and mental in unison that apart from very the few there will always be some anomalies and inconsistencies in performances. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 I don't really get all this Zengi never tried at Lakeside for the Aces cheating accusation. I haven't seen anyone saying Hans cheated on Thursday at Swindon by not trying despite his very very poor return. People have off nights, no racer will ever not try, it's a fact of a sport like speedway where performance is linked to so many factors mechanical, physical and mental in unison that apart from very the few there will always be some anomalies and inconsistencies in performances. Agreed, there may well have been advice from Rosco or Darcy about Zengi's set up, along with his improved performance recently, that accounted for his score last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialOne Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Or perhaps Belle Vue should have had foresight not to allow Zengi to race at Lakeside and get some set ups sorted for the Swindon match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritPete Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 Anyway, it's another massive four points for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 1, 2015 Report Share Posted August 1, 2015 (edited) I am sure Zengota rode 100% for the Aces.... Â The ridiculous thing though is why you would expect someone to perform 'out of his skin' to deprive himself, and his team mates the chance to make more money and get some success later in the season! Â As for Krcmar,when re declaring these days, particularly with the lower end rider, you may be better off taking someone on who CANNOT ride in your remaining meetings.. Â Such are the rules you can then bring in riders on a 'horses for courses' basis to tactically improve your team.... Â Both the above situations are yet further examples of the self inflicted bollox which mean the sport in this country, as a team competition, can never be taken seriously by anyone other than those people who say "I just enjoy watching four riders race each other over four laps"..... Â The ever dwindling number of 'those people' obviously........! Edited August 1, 2015 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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