TMW Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 It should have been stopped at 9 so 2 hts shorts. Watching Kerr who rides that track well skaring around at the back is not speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Is it any wonder that fans ( like me) wont go anywhere near a Speedway meeting if there has been rain or any threat of rain. £17 is a lot of money to many people, and people want entertaining for that. If I go to the Cinema and the film breaks down ( remember those days) you would get a free re-admission ticket at the very least. If you go to a concert and the act puts in a no show, you get ya money back etc etc. Yet Speedway can trade on ( so it seems) with the idea that they can take your £17 and not then provide the full entertainment on offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Is it any wonder that fans ( like me) wont go anywhere near a Speedway meeting if there has been rain or any threat of rain. £17 is a lot of money to many people, and people want entertaining for that. If I go to the Cinema and the film breaks down ( remember those days) you would get a free re-admission ticket at the very least. If you go to a concert and the act puts in a no show, you get ya money back etc etc. Yet Speedway can trade on ( so it seems) with the idea that they can take your £17 and not then provide the full entertainment on offer. Why do people think speedway is in some little bubble in this respect? Cinemas and the theatre are hardly fair comparisons. Try cricket, tennis and even golf given events at the recent British Open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Is it any wonder that fans ( like me) wont go anywhere near a Speedway meeting if there has been rain or any threat of rain. £17 is a lot of money to many people, and people want entertaining for that. If I go to the Cinema and the film breaks down ( remember those days) you would get a free re-admission ticket at the very least. If you go to a concert and the act puts in a no show, you get ya money back etc etc. Yet Speedway can trade on ( so it seems) with the idea that they can take your £17 and not then provide the full entertainment on offer. It can happen in any outside sport that play can be stopped by the rain ...when I go to these sports I understand this when I buy my ticket . Yet again the choice is up to you as no one forces you . I loved the likes of you run a speedway club ...run a meeting paid all the riders plus bills rent etc then give all the fans there money back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why do people think speedway is in some little bubble in this respect? Cinemas and the theatre are hardly fair comparisons. Try cricket, tennis and even golf given events at the recent British Open. Agreed . Cricket is even worse. You take a day off work with no threat of rain then after an hours play they go off for bad light for a couple of hours., even though to the average spectator the light seems to be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Maybe Speedway should apply for Charity status then Orion. Let people just turn up, sod it if it rainning just hand over the money and go home. On a weekly basis I have X amount to spend on entertainment. Speedway is competing for part of that X. So If its been rainning or forecast is rain why oh why would I want to waste fuel and an entry fee on the chance that racing amy take place ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 None of which is the fault of the referee. It seems Kings Lynn's fans are venting their anger in the wrong direction. It's once again promotion seemingly oblivious tot he fans and whats going on. Rather than starting dead on 7.30 and cracking on at a brisk but reasonable pace then they could have got 15 heats in. But no, they had to eek it out, probably looking for a rain off (saves the promoter money if he doesn't have to pay for 15 heats) while taking as long as possible to get money in the bar etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Maybe Speedway should apply for Charity status then Orion. Let people just turn up, sod it if it rainning just hand over the money and go home. On a weekly basis I have X amount to spend on entertainment. Speedway is competing for part of that X. So If its been rainning or forecast is rain why oh why would I want to waste fuel and an entry fee on the chance that racing amy take place ? ? I as already said you have to make a choice yourself when going to any outside sport that can be affected by the rain .no one forces anyone to go it's your own choice just like most things in life . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's once again promotion seemingly oblivious tot he fans and whats going on. Rather than starting dead on 7.30 and cracking on at a brisk but reasonable pace then they could have got 15 heats in. But no, they had to eek it out, probably looking for a rain off (saves the promoter money if he doesn't have to pay for 15 heats) while taking as long as possible to get money in the bar etc. Spot on. I am often critical of Wolves promotion, but in both meetings I've attended there in the last two weeks there has been a threat of rain and the meeting has been raced through, importantly with NO interval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 As I have said previously, the scoreline at the time is irrelevant... if the track has severely detiorated the meeting should be halted. I have no argument with that BUT it should ALWAYS apply no matter which teams are involved and regardless of the presence of TV cameras. The problem is some riders have double standards - perfectly content to ride on a wet GP track even in the rain but not on an EL track. It's once again promotion seemingly oblivious tot he fans and whats going on. Rather than starting dead on 7.30 and cracking on at a brisk but reasonable pace then they could have got 15 heats in. But no, they had to eek it out, probably looking for a rain off (saves the promoter money if he doesn't have to pay for 15 heats) while taking as long as possible to get money in the bar etc. Cannot argue with that, you only have to look at a pic on twitter taken just before the start to see that rain was threatening. ? I as already said you have to make a choice yourself when going to any outside sport that can be affected by the rain .no one forces anyone to go it's your own choice just like most things in life . Precisely and promoters need to realise that the more they don't do all in their power to get meeting to a conclusion (see above quote) less people would stay away when the weather is iffy, One final point or question if you like. We have been told in various statements from BSPA/SCB in the past that once the referee is in attendance he is in complete control of the meeting so why didn't he tell Buster to get his tractors off the track, ditch the parade and start on time. There hadn't been much rain fall during the day so track prep should have been done & dusted but hey let's not give a stuff about paying customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippy Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 The person that seems to have been at the bottom of the call of was a rider from Leicester who didn't want to ride because it was raining. we saw Buster intimating that the meeting should go on but if riders do not want to ride...........I do think heat 10 should have went ahead, a 2 min warning should have been put out as the others were at the tapes. by the time the discussion was over the rain was much heavier by then. Lewi didn't look happy or comfortable in his race prior. Safety for riders is paramount. Sun was still out when we arrived but they should have done away with parade and got on with it. Seems to be faults all round. Nothing can be done about it now so we just have to put it behind us and move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I don't think results actually came into it. I think Jason is realist enough to know that when they go down next time the outcome is likely to be similar. I think what did it was the skating and Wilko's nasty fall in ht 9. The sport is a 15 ht affair so al this talk of 10 Hts is foley. That's what we travelled for that's what we paid for and as Jason would be thinking we fell short so on the basis the rain was coming down heavy just as ht 9 was going out and it turned into a 'lets all just get round safely affair'. I consider myself 7 hts short....... Not 1 and I'm not even going to mention the MDL meeting that should have been called off with the impending rain forecast earlier in the day. To stop riders travelling but as it's neither hear nor there to promoters whether these meetings go ahead then they give them little or no thought. Sad to hear Wilko can't sign he's been a real trooper for the Lions :-( Edited July 30, 2015 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why can't Wilkinson sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why can't Wilkinson sign? Apparently he is ony avaiabe to guest. In other words if any other team needs him to guest he would no longer be available. Apparently he can ony guest 1 more time the max is 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Apparently he is ony avaiabe to guest. In other words if any other team needs him to guest he would no longer be available. Apparently he can ony guest 1 more time the max is 4 Thanks. That's a shame esp when Leicester need a replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 All completely irrelevant. Just Kings Lynn fans whinging because they didn't get the win. The time was 7 seconds slower in the previous heat and that was the winner, thats not speedway. It's quite clear that you just wanted 1 more race and then it to be called off, EVERYTHING that is wrong and has been wrong with the sport. The updater told us one of your riders was totally uninterested in Heat 9, I guess that is value for money. Would Kings Lynn still have wanted to continue after Heat 10? Damn right they wouldn't. As I have said previously, the scoreline at the time is irrelevant... if the track has severely detiorated the meeting should be halted. For someone who wasn't even there you seem to know quite a bit, and as usual very opinionated . You mentioned above, that the updater detailed Lewis Kerr being uninterested in heat 9 and the time was slower, such a shame they didn't mention that Nicklas Porsing missed the gate and raced from 4th to second and showed the track was racable. Just because Kerr didn't fancy it, it is wrong to make judgement on that fact alone. Of cause the time was slower, but I remember back in '77 that Ivan Mauger won a world final in far worst conditions than last night..... If you weren't so quick in judging people, you would realise it wouldn't bother me if we won lose or draw. To me that's not important. I understand the logic and the implications needed to refund the punters and to arrange another date when everyone is available to ride. and that's not easy, and something that was totally unnecessary. All I said was had the referee understood the implications of his decision, that another 1 min of racing, would have reached an amicable conclusion, when the result stood, no replay would be needed and the promoter would have no refunds to pay........ Surely even you can understand that.........In a world where Promoters are feeling the pinch and falling by the wayside, the last thing we want is to witness another abortion of what happens last night..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 ? I as already said you have to make a choice yourself when going to any outside sport that can be affected by the rain .no one forces anyone to go it's your own choice just like most things in life . Thanks Orion for telling what I can or cannot do with my money. I will certainly give it plenty of thought the next time its rainning. The first question i will ask myself will be.. 'what would Orion do in this situation ?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) For someone who wasn't even there you seem to know quite a bit, and as usual very opinionated . You mentioned above, that the updater detailed Lewis Kerr being uninterested in heat 9 and the time was slower, such a shame they didn't mention that Nicklas Porsing missed the gate and raced from 4th to second and showed the track was racable. Just because Kerr didn't fancy it, it is wrong to make judgement on that fact alone. Of cause the time was slower, but I remember back in '77 that Ivan Mauger won a world final in far worst conditions than last night..... If you weren't so quick in judging people, you would realise it wouldn't bother me if we won lose or draw. To me that's not important. I understand the logic and the implications needed to refund the punters and to arrange another date when everyone is available to ride. and that's not easy, and something that was totally unnecessary. All I said was had the referee understood the implications of his decision, that another 1 min of racing, would have reached an amicable conclusion, when the result stood, no replay would be needed and the promoter would have no refunds to pay........ Surely even you can understand that.........In a world where Promoters are feeling the pinch and falling by the wayside, the last thing we want is to witness another abortion of what happens last night..... I was there. Porsing had been missing the gate and out of control all meeting. So that's no great example. Kerr is not a rider who tends to 'not fancy it' ........ Ref needs to consider the implications for the promoter ? Edited July 30, 2015 by TMW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrocks Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 Interesting what I heard from the pits after the meeting was cancelled. "Ref knew what he had done wrong, bless him" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I was there. Porsing had been missing the gate and out of control all meeting. So that's no great example 😂😂😂 are you sure you was there? I think you've misunderstood seeing some passing as being out of control. Leicester fans can make that mistake so I'll let you off 👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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