ruffdiamond Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Because football is a lot more important to people in Newcastle than speedway as is rugby and basketball now also and that's why you need a decent team to compete with these other sports or can you explain another reason why crowds are so down since you keep going on about me being a glory hunter? It's not rocket science you know and you may have a few who will go no matter what but they are not the amount that used to be and that includes myself and a few others on this forum also. And by the way I am a season ticket holder at Newcastle United also so that dispels your theory out of hand also. Unless a competitive team is put out next season (if it goes beyond this season) then I will be very surprised if speedway continues beyond 2016 in Newcastle. As I said if you don't like what I said then tough but I know which view is correct and the decrease in crowds these last two years proves it. You do have a very valid point, also the sports you mention, the 'f' word, basketball and rugby are sports where for a lot of people can actually take part in, a mean, you've only gotta play with some balls, lol,,, but seriously, youngsters can join clubs and get into those sports relatively cheaply,,, whereas speedway and similar types of sports can be expensive to take part in,,, it's not like you and ye mates can just get an old motorbike and go tearing round the fields anymore and that's cos there all bloody playing football on them So, sort of adding to that,,, youngsters aren't getting involved, so your next generation of supporters aren't naturally there If Newcastle does close, wadda ya think th'll do with the air fence ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 You do have a very valid point, also the sports you mention, the 'f' word, basketball and rugby are sports where for a lot of people can actually take part in, a mean, you've only gotta play with some balls, lol,,, but seriously, youngsters can join clubs and get into those sports relatively cheaply,,, whereas speedway and similar types of sports can be expensive to take part in,,, it's not like you and ye mates can just get an old motorbike and go tearing round the fields anymore and that's cos there all bloody playing football on them So, sort of adding to that,,, youngsters aren't getting involved, so your next generation of supporters aren't naturally there If Newcastle does close, wadda ya think th'll do with the air fence ??? Turn it in to a Bouncy Castle? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclennell Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 You do have a very valid point, also the sports you mention, the 'f' word, basketball and rugby are sports where for a lot of people can actually take part in, a mean, you've only gotta play with some balls, lol,,, but seriously, youngsters can join clubs and get into those sports relatively cheaply,,, whereas speedway and similar types of sports can be expensive to take part in,,, it's not like you and ye mates can just get an old motorbike and go tearing round the fields anymore and that's cos there all bloody playing football on them I agree with what you say and the point that I am making is that speedway is no longer a thriving sport within the UK. Football is my first love and always will be but I still used to go to just about every home and away meetings with the speedway team also for 15 years - and we had on occasion teams who didn't win anything either also but in the main it was competitive overall at least. It's only the last couple of years that I have stopped going full stop due to various reasons. I agree on here with the many folk who can't fathom out how supposed promoters and authorities on speedway (our own included) sit preseason and come up with the most bewildering rule changes and decisions which are ruining the sport. I also can't understand how a team is put together which within the last two years has had no chance of being competitive before a wheel has even turned. The point I was getting at, was that in Newcastle to even attempt to compete with other sports, activities and social events; then there is essential requirement to have a competitive team first and foremost. If you don't then there is not a chance that you are going to get crowds coming back as there is just far too much competition within the city which for a lot of people are far more attractive than watching a team beaten more often than not. It's got nothing to do with going because your a 'super fan', as these peoples numbers are dwindling fast and will certainly not sustain a team over a period of time. It's the fans who don't go regularly anymore and new fans which you need to attract and the only way to do that is with a team which is at the very minimum challenging and there is no way in hell that was ever going to happen with the teams put together these last two years. I hear about finance and stuff, but in my opinion (and I respect others to have differing ones) it is financial suicide not to have a competitive team and let's be honest the team should have been changed at least two months ago when in was quite obvious that it was not strong enough. Anyway that's my last view on the subject but I know I won't be back anytime soon, some people will say don't need you back but actually you do and many others like me also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Fair comment/s,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 I agree with what you say and the point that I am making is that speedway is no longer a thriving sport within the UK. Football is my first love and always will be but I still used to go to just about every home and away meetings with the speedway team also for 15 years - and we had on occasion teams who didn't win anything either also but in the main it was competitive overall at least. It's only the last couple of years that I have stopped going full stop due to various reasons. I agree on here with the many folk who can't fathom out how supposed promoters and authorities on speedway (our own included) sit preseason and come up with the most bewildering rule changes and decisions which are ruining the sport. I also can't understand how a team is put together which within the last two years has had no chance of being competitive before a wheel has even turned. The point I was getting at, was that in Newcastle to even attempt to compete with other sports, activities and social events; then there is essential requirement to have a competitive team first and foremost. If you don't then there is not a chance that you are going to get crowds coming back as there is just far too much competition within the city which for a lot of people are far more attractive than watching a team beaten more often than not. It's got nothing to do with going because your a 'super fan', as these peoples numbers are dwindling fast and will certainly not sustain a team over a period of time. It's the fans who don't go regularly anymore and new fans which you need to attract and the only way to do that is with a team which is at the very minimum challenging and there is no way in hell that was ever going to happen with the teams put together these last two years. I hear about finance and stuff, but in my opinion (and I respect others to have differing ones) it is financial suicide not to have a competitive team and let's be honest the team should have been changed at least two months ago when in was quite obvious that it was not strong enough. Anyway that's my last view on the subject but I know I won't be back anytime soon, some people will say don't need you back but actually you do and many others like me also. I'm torn on this. This is a very good, indeed excellent Post from acclennell with which it is difficult to argue. I cannot help but agree with everything he says. However, I also have a deal of sympathy for the Newcastle Promotion. They cannot sign Riders they cannot afford or the end result will be closure and no Speedway. No Speedway ever again in my opinion as if it ever closes I think that local residents will ensure that it doesn't open again. As I say, I can see both sides of the argument. I wish there was a simple answer but I am very afraid - there isn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 I'm torn on this. This is a very good, indeed excellent Post from acclennell with which it is difficult to argue. I cannot help but agree with everything he says. However, I also have a deal of sympathy for the Newcastle Promotion. They cannot sign Riders they cannot afford or the end result will be closure and no Speedway. No Speedway ever again in my opinion as if it ever closes I think that local residents will ensure that it doesn't open again. As I say, I can see both sides of the argument. I wish there was a simple answer but I am very afraid - there isn't. even if there was a simple answer,,, someone would make it difficult,,, there's ye answer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 even if there was a simple answer,,, someone would make it difficult,,, there's ye answer You are right RD. Especially in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 You are right RD. Especially in Speedway. dunno about being right,,, but it's definitely a FACT, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To The Point Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Taffy, are you sponsoring Tero Aarnio, your name is on his bike SHshshsh !, you will get the sponsorship police having a go up here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Is that all you can do be personal is it and not answer the point I'm making, I can do that also arsehole I was making the point that ALL NUFC fans are not very bright, not you specifically. You want the directors of the Diamonds to spend money to improve the team and have withdrawn your financial support until they do so. Why does the same thought process not apply to NUFC? Stoip going and Ashley might do something (or spend much less on supporting a Newcastle sporting club that has won something in the 21st century) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I was making the point that ALL NUFC fans are not very bright, not you specifically. You want the directors of the Diamonds to spend money to improve the team and have withdrawn your financial support until they do so. Why does the same thought process not apply to NUFC? Stoip going and Ashley might do something (or spend much less on supporting a Newcastle sporting club that has won something in the 21st century) That is very true,,, I can see where ACC is coming from, although I'm not from the same camp,,,NUFC are in a position where it probably wouldn't matter if 1 or 2 hundred, even thousand didn't turn up, so if ACC and his mates didn't go, they wouldn't be missed,,, ,but speedway could do with all the support it can get,,, not everyone will like what the management / promotion do, if you haven't got the support, its hard to spend and I totally agree with you there, but unfortunately you can't keep everyone happy all the time ,,, and in WKD ' s case, probably never, lol ,,, but losing a few at speedway is noticeable, am sure if I wasn't there, things would be said, lol,,, maybe not good thing's, but something,,, Edited July 21, 2015 by ruffdiamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 There are also several football teams...but only one Speedway team. If the Diamonds folded, we would not have the option of saying 'Damn shame to lose the PL team but at least I can pick a new NL team from Blyth/Whitley Bay/South Shields'. No Diamonds = no live speedway. Top division football has been spoiled by money; Speedway is desperate for money. Come on Fat Mike let's see the Newcastle Sports Direct Diamonds winning trophies next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) There are also several football teams...but only one Speedway team. If the Diamonds folded, we would not have the option of saying 'Damn shame to lose the PL team but at least I can pick a new NL team from Blyth/Whitley Bay/South Shields'. No Diamonds = no live speedway. Top division football has been spoiled by money; Speedway is desperate for money. Come on Fat Mike let's see the Newcastle Sports Direct Diamonds winning trophies next year. I'm sure Fat Mike would love to get his hands on the Diamonds,,, but the pittance from what Newcastle might earn, might be beyond him ,,, a mean,,, we all know about the castle Daryll is having built (with a moat) high up in the hills, we know Alan is always flying around in his private jet,,, and George and Joan are often see swaning up and down the Tyne in their yacht,,, am not sure Fat Mike would fit in their social circle Edited July 21, 2015 by ruffdiamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 There are also several football teams...but only one Speedway team. If the Diamonds folded, we would not have the option of saying 'Damn shame to lose the PL team but at least I can pick a new NL team from Blyth/Whitley Bay/South Shields'. No Diamonds = no live speedway. Top division football has been spoiled by money; Speedway is desperate for money. Come on Fat Mike let's see the Newcastle Sports Direct Diamonds winning trophies next year. Ashley is a businessman. The only thing he is interested in is £££££. Speedway doesn't make ££££££, in fact just the opposite. Nice dream though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 What concerns me is how people would get to know if we had a stronger team - Barry W's pages in the Pink were always excellent, and he also contributed to the Chronicle...the Pink is of course now only a memory, and the Chron gets more football-fixated by the day. People who stop coming to BP presumably also stop buying the Speedway Star (if they ever did) and with the dedicated Ceefax pages also long gone, what is left other than (intermittent) reports on home matches in the Journal and, I guess - though I don't read it any more - the Chronicle. (Do we still get on Look North? I'm never in the house when it's on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 What concerns me is how people would get to know if we had a stronger team - Barry W's pages in the Pink were always excellent, and he also contributed to the Chronicle...the Pink is of course now only a memory, and the Chron gets more football-fixated by the day. People who stop coming to BP presumably also stop buying the Speedway Star (if they ever did) and with the dedicated Ceefax pages also long gone, what is left other than (intermittent) reports on home matches in the Journal and, I guess - though I don't read it any more - the Chronicle. (Do we still get on Look North? I'm never in the house when it's on). Not a lot - no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 SHshshsh !, you will get the sponsorship police having a go up here Aye you have to watch, I had the temerity to put on a welcome to Newcastle Tero post on this thread the other day, which already has caused upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Aye you have to watch, I had the temerity to put on a welcome to Newcastle Tero post on this thread the other day, which already has caused upset. Really - why? I welcome him too screm - what's the problem? 'Mystified Sunderland'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_ren Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 I think this is more a general speedway problem more than just at brough.... I think people are just so sick with the daft rules etc people are starting to vote with there feet. I've been going to Newcastle since it re-opened in 97 been to loads of away meetings too and until this season I never missed a meeting. I went to the first 3 or 4 this season and I haven't been back since. Yes the team isn't the best but by no means is it the worst we've had! But the entertainment value for me is virtually non existent now I don't know if this ties in with the new silencers but there isn't/ wasn't much racing at the meetings I attended this season or last season for that matter. Now I'm only 25 and I'm pretty bored with speedway now there used to be a time id not miss a meeting but they seem long gone. And speedway needs a new fan base because most of the fans are elderly people. It's tough because kids nowadays would rather be playing on the playstations or Xbox rather than go to speedway. This is a crucial winter for speedway and now more than ever do the promoters need to realise this! If you didn't know what speedway was you wouldn't have a clue in most cities because it's one of the worst promoted sports. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclennell Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I was making the point that ALL NUFC fans are not very bright, not you specifically. You want the directors of the Diamonds to spend money to improve the team and have withdrawn your financial support until they do so. Why does the same thought process not apply to NUFC? Stoip going and Ashley might do something (or spend much less on supporting a Newcastle sporting club that has won something in the 21st century) I was making the point that ALL NUFC fans are not very bright, not you specifically. You want the directors of the Diamonds to spend money to improve the team and have withdrawn your financial support until they do so. Why does the same thought process not apply to NUFC? Stoip going and Ashley might do something (or spend much less on supporting a Newcastle sporting club that has won something in the 21st century) NUFC is my true love and I wouldn't miss that for anything and actually Ashley has seen that season ticket sales have dropped and finally after the shock of nearly losing millions in May is looking like he is doing something about it and I agree about time too. There will always be a football team for years and years to come and is in no danger of closing so the comparison is not like for like. The points I have been trying to make, and I will put money on will happen; is that unless the team is strengthened considerable next year and is actually challenging and competitive, then Newcastle Diamonds will be closed by 2016 at the latest as the alarming drop in in crowds cannot be sustained. Do I want this to happen, no, and would I go again if an entertaining and strong team was assembled, yes, but the Promoters have got big decisions to make because as I said there is no way speedway will continue at Brough by making the same mistakes as was the case this season and last. They either want speedway to continue or they don't and some people will go no matter what but not enough to keep the sport from continuing in Newcastle. Speedway in general must change and I would suggest going back to the old way of point scoring and tactical subs, prompt starts at the designated time not 15-20 minutes later, two minute warnings to be sent straight after a race is completed. 4TT qualifiers should be brought back and the rule for guests and foreign riders certainly reviewed - to make this sport great we need to encourage the best foreign talent (especially young) to want to ride in the UK - I want to see the most exciting racers riding in the UK and not hindered because they are not British. If a British rider is good enough he will still make the grade.The unfair play off system should also be scrapped. The rider of the night and silver/golden helmets should be the finale of the meeting. The end of season Supernational or another competition may also be considered and the league campaign should start straight away after a few challenge matches. The SCB need to get their heads out of their backsides and stop ruining the sport and it's criminal when you consider most of the members have been involved in speedway for years. There are some of my suggestions anyway, I want to go back but it's up to the Promoters at Newcastle and the SCB to make me want to because the two times I have in the last two years I have walked out both times before heat ten because the meeting was being run like a farce and in my opinion the racing on show couldn't hold a candle to previous years. Edited July 21, 2015 by acclennell 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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